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Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by lisbbb »

LocalH wrote: post #19
anigbrowl wrote: post #4

Says a lot that the very first person listed on that 'charliesmurders.com' site isn't condemning or mocking Kirk at all but just expressing anxiety about the likelihood of a political backlash following his death. Even the people on 4chan were expressing confusion about this and saying her remarks seemed wholly innocuous.

The point is anything less than expressions of mourning is considered "violent rhetoric" by the same right-wingers who were radio silent when Melissa Hortman was murdered, and who made jokes when Paul Pelosi was bludgeoned with a hammer.

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Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by lisbbb »

mythrwy wrote: post #17
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

This is terrible, but luckily we have a large and robust network of free speech activists who've spent years organizing against "Cancel Culture" and defending people from getting fired for controversial views. I'm sure they'll spring into action and defend these poor folks. Let's check in on how they're doing...

For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action…

Turnabout is fair play, it's not hypocrisy, it's actually resentment.

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by LocalH »

lisbbb wrote: post #21
LocalH wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is anything less than expressions of mourning is considered "violent rhetoric" by the same right-wingers who were radio silent when Melissa Hortman was murdered, and who made jokes when Paul Pelosi was bludgeoned with a hammer.

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Just like Kirk was murdered by a left-winger because they made groyper references that most of the world doesn't get, while 4chan laughs because they know what's up >_>

Hortman was murdered by an anti-abortion loonie with a Republican history.

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by LocalH »

martythemaniak wrote: post #13

This is terrible, but luckily we have a large and robust network of free speech activists who've spent years organizing against "Cancel Culture" and defending people from getting fired for controversial views. I'm sure they'll spring into action and defend these poor folks. Let's check in on how they're doing...

Musk claimed he'd pay to legally defend anyone who was fired from their job for viewpoints on this. I'm waiting for him to fail to defend anyone who isn't his brand of right-wing

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by LocalH »

lisbbb wrote: post #22
mythrwy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action…

Turnabout is fair play, it's not hypocrisy, it's actually resentment.

Whatever happened to "be the better man". Stoop to the perceived level of your worst enemy and you're just like you perceive them to be.

Kirk shouldn't have died. But he also didn't say very nice things about people who aren't white males. There's a difference between celebrating his death and merely saying "he wasn't a very nice person unless you were white and male". Unfortunately, those two are being conflated. The very first listing on "charliesmurderers.com" is a woman who states in her tweet "I don't believe violence is ever the answer. It just makes everything worse" and "I hope Charlie survives", in response to those taking issue with her worrying that some further far-right Kirk followers might see this as an opportunity for "revenge". She did not champion his death. She didn't celebrate it. She just raised a point.

Unfortunately, he was killed by someone who didn't think he was as far right as they wanted. Ever heard of a "groyper"?

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by mythrwy »

lisbbb wrote: post #22
mythrwy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action…

Turnabout is fair play, it's not hypocrisy, it's actually resentment.

An eye for an eye eventually leaves the entire world blind. Better we just act out of principals of liberty and charity in my opinion.

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by kentm »

zahlman wrote: post #16
jslezak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an appalling comment. You can’t possibly justify what you’re doing so you pretend it’s something “the left” did first. Did the left deport students because they wrote an op-ed article, or went to a protest? Did senior administration officials call for jailing opponents for thought crimes?

> Did the left deport students because they wrote an op-ed article, or went to a protest? Did senior administration officials call for jailing opponents for thought crimes? Did the right? What incidents are you referring to?

Yes. It was a big news story that the administration yanked visas and green cards for pro Palestine protestors.

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by zahlman »

kentm wrote: post #27
zahlman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did the left deport students because they wrote an op-ed article, or went to a protest? Did senior administration officials call for jailing opponents for thought crimes? Did the right? What incidents are you referring to?

Yes. It was a big news story that the administration yanked visas and green cards for pro Palestine protestors.

Specifically because they protested and not for any other reason (such as, for example, specific actions taken at the protest; or just opportunistically because appearing at the protest made it possible to catch someone that they'd already been looking for)?

And there was evidence for this?

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by sniffers »

mythrwy wrote: post #17
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

This is terrible, but luckily we have a large and robust network of free speech activists who've spent years organizing against "Cancel Culture" and defending people from getting fired for controversial views. I'm sure they'll spring into action and defend these poor folks. Let's check in on how they're doing...

For sure. The doxing and firings and deplatforming over Covid views, Jan 6 and general Trump support etc were awful and people rightfully complained but this is equally as bad. The hypocrisy is astounding. It's like we have abandoned all principals of fairness and charity in pursuit of our political enemies. People of all stripes say dumb stuff on social media. Unless it's immediate calls to violent or illegal action…

The thing to remember is that no one cares about hypocrisy. The people in power least of all. It's a classic authoritarian move to condemn something they engage in, because the authoritarian doesn't care about doing the right thing, they care about eradicating people whose will resist them in any way.

You will see capital L Liberals complaining about hypocrisy the whole time the autocrats rise to power, completely missing the point that hypocrisy doesn't matter. There's no scoreboard out there that says, opponent was hypocritical, automatic loss.

Re: Mass Firings for Charlie Kirk Comments Appear Coordinated

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Post by LocalH »

lisbbb wrote: post #20
zahlman wrote: post #2

Not the firings, but the effort to pressure employers. And it's really not in doubt; the coordination is real and public. I have seen many conservative pundits be very open about it (and preemptively engage with the "isn't this the same cancel culture you used to hate" argument). My thoughts on the legitimacy of this, from another submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45234875

Be very glad that's all they are doing.

What is that supposed to mean? That's no further away from "violent rhetoric" as the things many critics of Kirk have said recently, and been vilified for saying
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