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Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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Reminds me of the ice worms[0] that live exclusively in the glacier ice of the Pacific Northwest. Also mild nightmare fuel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesenchytraeus_solifugus

Reminds me of a short story by Alastair Reynolds, "Glacial". In it, scientists are studying these worm-like alien creatures that seem to interact with one another via chemical markers left on the tunnel walls. It is theorized that they're acting as a sort of distributed intelligence, although it's really slow due to the extremely low metabolism.

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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clear scoleciphobia if I've ever seen it

Well, yeah, they're worms. People are irrationally afraid of all sorts of stuff, that doesn't make everything "nightmare fuel". They're just worms that look like worms.

> worms that look like worms

Those are the worst kind of worms.

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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Reminds me of the ice worms[0] that live exclusively in the glacier ice of the Pacific Northwest. Also mild nightmare fuel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesenchytraeus_solifugus

Immediately conjures this X Files episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_(The_X-Files)

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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I brought a sample of "pink snow" back to the lab- common at high altitudes in California. Under the scope, the algae were pink spheres. Extremophiles are so interesting

Do they have a wikipedia page ?

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_snow

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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I brought a sample of "pink snow" back to the lab- common at high altitudes in California. Under the scope, the algae were pink spheres. Extremophiles are so interesting

Which type of microscope and what level of magnification? Any images? I'm designing one at the moment.

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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I brought a sample of "pink snow" back to the lab- common at high altitudes in California. Under the scope, the algae were pink spheres. Extremophiles are so interesting

Which type of microscope and what level of magnification? Any images? I'm designing one at the moment.

Sorry, can't tell you that, I let the microbiologists do it for me. They were very possessive about their instruments, like I was with mine. So... how are you doing it? I bought a $29 microscope from China last week to look at the backside of leaves we thought were infected with bindweed mites. Saw circular yellow and red spots on leaves that looked to the naked eye, to have white powdery residue. Under a scope, it's a whole different world.

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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I brought a sample of "pink snow" back to the lab- common at high altitudes in California. Under the scope, the algae were pink spheres. Extremophiles are so interesting

Do they have a wikipedia page ? EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_snow

Oh how cool. They are motile. Flagella to move upwards. It does not get any cooler than that. Thanks

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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Which type of microscope and what level of magnification? Any images? I'm designing one at the moment.

Sorry, can't tell you that, I let the microbiologists do it for me. They were very possessive about their instruments, like I was with mine. So... how are you doing it? I bought a $29 microscope from China last week to look at the backside of leaves we thought were infected with bindweed mites. Saw circular yellow and red spots on leaves that looked to the naked eye, to have white powdery residue. Under a scope, it's…

For normal brightfield microscopy industrial cameras are very good (the internal sensor chipset is the important component, and there are only a few manufacturers globally) and usually offer both USB UVC and HDMI output. Monocular optics are very cheap and offer free-zoom (so-called 'zoomtube', great for video) and configurable magnification.

In terms of reflected light microscopy, you are going to get very good results with off the shelf ~$100 systems (camera+monocular zoomtube) and LED ring lighting (preferably anti-glare with configurable polarized filters).

You get a solid upgrade switching to transmitted light microscopy. This requires some sort of transparent stage with underside lighting. This can be as simple as placing an unprepared sample on a slide and shining any light (like a phone LED) through it. But it works better if the light is even, the light is collimated, the light is focused, the light is controllable (ie. light source + collimator lens + condenser, at precise relative distances).

At high magnifications the focal plane is very thin. You will need focus stacking for many unprocessed specimens, which can be achieved in software but requires a rigid platform and a steady hand.

Around this level you get some good upgrades from taking thin sections with a razorblade. You can buy mini microtomes but they're basically razorblades. Just buy razorblades. Staining also helps, read for example http://digitalcommons.mtu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=11...

If you are serious about your images, you can buy a cheap calibration tool for measurement purposes and synchronize it to software for markup and addition of digital scale purposes.

Beyond these you certainly need a rigid platform. To this point things are quite cheap, depending upon your requirements you could be only $200 in and happy with a range of stains, thin sections, configurable lighting, aperture, precision movable stage, etc.

Once you're in this territory you probably want a better turret and oil objectives. This is expensive.

Motorized stages, focus, filters/polarization, etc. are all options, often hard to retrofit to existing scopes, but of great utility depending upon what you're looking to achieve. I am sort of designing around this area. I am interested in structured light microscopy, which has recently been achieved for 10K EUR by academics in Europe. I may offer something cheaper if I can get it working.

Beyond that the next steps are precision methods like darkfield, phase contrast, DIC, fluorescence, etc. These get expensive quickly, requiring additional matched hardware and dedicated objectives. I know little about these techniques yet.

Re: Scientists uncover extreme life inside the Arctic ice

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Sorry, can't tell you that, I let the microbiologists do it for me. They were very possessive about their instruments, like I was with mine. So... how are you doing it? I bought a $29 microscope from China last week to look at the backside of leaves we thought were infected with bindweed mites. Saw circular yellow and red spots on leaves that looked to the naked eye, to have white powdery residue. Under a scope, it's…

For normal brightfield microscopy industrial cameras are very good (the internal sensor chipset is the important component, and there are only a few manufacturers globally) and usually offer both USB UVC and HDMI output. Monocular optics are very cheap and offer free-zoom (so-called 'zoomtube', great for video) and configurable magnification. In terms of reflected light microscopy, you are going to get very good resu…

Great, I'll copy/paste your notes into an email to myself.

Have you ever looked at a microscopy stains catalog? The most beautiful images you can't imagine. Just a different world.

At the moment, I'm mostly concerned about a bindweed mite experiment we're conducting locally. They are elusive but we're seeing signs of predation.

https://xeriscape.neocities.org/bindweedmites

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