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Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Of course they did. A company like Hyundai that depends on government incentives is not going to take stupid risks with visas and work permits.

They had over 300 illegal workers in that plant: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj07jzgve45o

The US says they had over 300 illegals. Last time I checked, the US was not an omniscient teller of truth.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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> and then sort out everyone's status after the fact.

Did they do that? Or did they throw out the ones with valid visas too? (hint: It was the latter. Details are in the article.)

The bigger problem is that they "invalidate" your visa post-facto, on a whim, for whatever they want. Attend a political protest? Have a 20 year old bad check on your record despite having lived here for 50 years, since you were a young child? Embarrass a politician? I've seen all of those and more result in a legal immigrant having their visas cancelled and then thrown in jail until they can be deported.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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At least one, according to the document. I'm curious how many more will turn out to have been working legally.

It's a bit more complicated than that. They all had valid (at the time) visas, but some may have been in violation of the requirements. South Korean companies couldn't get H1-B visas so they instead used VWP or B1/B2 visas meant for tourism and short-term business (conferences, negotiation, etc.). These visas don't allow certain kinds of work, so it depends what they were actually doing at the plant. From the article it sounds like that ICE agent thinks at least that one worker wasn't doing any proscribed work. In a sane world, an immigration court would look at the evidence and decide if the visa requirements had been violated. But instead we're just summarily deporting people.

https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/workers-say-k...

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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post #9

Of course they did. A company like Hyundai that depends on government incentives is not going to take stupid risks with visas and work permits.

They had over 300 illegal workers in that plant: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj07jzgve45o

ICE said that all of them were here on invalid visas, which is clearly untrue based on the posted article.

At this point, if an ICE agent told me it was a sunny day, I'd open my umbrella.

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post #8

I'm curious to see how the societal suicide cultists rationalize this directly harmful "enforcement" action versus the supposed goal of rebuilding US manufacturing. Construction workers and engineering expertise are required for building factories. Especially with advanced technologies, we're playing catch up in expertise and thus reliant on foreign engineers to bootstrap our local talent (like what China did for the…

I've bad news for you, they seem ok with it: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

She's just one nutjob figurehead.

I'm talking about the larger number of people who supported, and are seemingly still supporting the deranged figureheads. When you examine the details, none of these policies actually benefit America - and doubly so with the incompetent execution. Yet as the results become increasingly undeniable, the supporters are twisting themselves into ever-tighter knots trying to stay in that fictional universe.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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and... thats a good thing?!?

Honestly I am not sure the point you are trying to make. In what world is that at all ok?

You know damn well that if they raided a largely white work site people would be up in arms (people are already up in arms, but who would be up in arms would be different). But clearly its fine since they are not white, perfectly normal to detain people before making sure they should be detained.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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At least one, according to the document. I'm curious how many more will turn out to have been working legally.

It's a bit more complicated than that. They all had valid (at the time) visas, but some may have been in violation of the requirements. South Korean companies couldn't get H1-B visas so they instead used VWP or B1/B2 visas meant for tourism and short-term business (conferences, negotiation, etc.). These visas don't allow certain kinds of work, so it depends what they were actually doing at the plant. From the article…

The article says that the ICE agent thinks the worker was compliant with visa terms:

«From statements made and queries in law enforcement databases, [redacted] has not violated his visa; however, the Atlanta Field Office Director has mandated [redacted] be presented as a Voluntary Departure. [Redacted] has accepted voluntary departure despite not violating his B1/B2 visa requirements.»

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

#28
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It’s unfortunate that many Americans are comfortable with this guilty even if proven innocent approach to justice

> From statements made and queries in law enforcement databases, [redacted] has not violated his visa; however, the Atlanta Field Office Director has mandated [redacted] be presented as a Voluntary Departure. [Redacted] has accepted voluntary departure despite not violating his B1/B2 visa requirements.”

The article worded the whole thing very carefully, in a way to me is intentionally misleading. The director mandated that the visa holder be labeled as a voluntary departure. That could simply mean the person decided he would return, and was allowed to do so, and the director simply informed whoever filled out the paperwork that this was a voluntary departure. There is nothing in the article that actually indicates the person was forced to leave the country with a valid visa.

The fact that they dance around this tells me that this article is bullshit. And knowing what I know about The Guardian, it almost certainly is.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

#29

At least one, according to the document. I'm curious how many more will turn out to have been working legally.

Do we know WHO ordered this ICE hit?

Because this is a clown show of Epic proportions. Those guys were there to set up a factory for MAGA people to work at.

This stunt has ignorance and stupidity stamped all over it.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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post #4

It’s unfortunate that many Americans are comfortable with this guilty even if proven innocent approach to justice

> From statements made and queries in law enforcement databases, [redacted] has not violated his visa; however, the Atlanta Field Office Director has mandated [redacted] be presented as a Voluntary Departure. [Redacted] has accepted voluntary departure despite not violating his B1/B2 visa requirements.” The article worded the whole thing very carefully, in a way to me is intentionally misleading. The director mandate…

If I was rounded up in an ICE raid, I would enthusiastically depart the country, even if I was fully compliant with every rule.

That’s to say that a voluntary departure doesn’t mean no harm was caused.

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