Live data from Hacker News

Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

fastcompany.com

21–30 of 156 posts

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#21
post #4

I tried the search site at https://searcha.page/ by searching for something random and got the following message: "An error has occurred building the search results."

hug of death? I fear the temperature will get very high in his laundry room

Might not even need a dryer :-)

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#23
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hug of death? I fear the temperature will get very high in his laundry room

I'm sure it depends on how much laundry he is doing - his dryer is probably heated entirely by servers. He can then exhaust the remaining server heat through the dryer vent stack.

Keep going. I love dry humor.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#24

I always wondered why someone couldn't do this. Google was invented many years ago by two guys in a dorm room and since then there's been so many white papers and advancements in the public sphere and the actual underlying problem has not changed that much, that it seems like it could be done by a small group or independent person.

Crawling is much more difficult than it used to be. Significantly more content is behind a login, Javascript is required for way more than it should be, and almost the entire web is behind cloudflare or another type of captcha.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#25

I always wondered why someone couldn't do this. Google was invented many years ago by two guys in a dorm room and since then there's been so many white papers and advancements in the public sphere and the actual underlying problem has not changed that much, that it seems like it could be done by a small group or independent person.

The actual underlying problem has changed altogether. Pagerank is easily gamed by SEO. Search candidates and rankings now require assessment by LLM. Moreover, as a default, users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. Crawling too requires innovative approaches to bypass server filters. I doubt any independent person can afford to run a vector datab…

> Moreover, as a default, users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results.

Citation needed

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. The reason I pay for Kagi is that I specifically don't want this to occur.

How much do you technologically relate to the average person on the street though? Every person I have seen (outside the tiny tech bubble) google something has just read the AI overview without skipping a beat.

We’re being force fed them. I’m an AI hater and I catch myself reading those sometimes.

Yes, people want the answer directly. Google wants you to stay on their site to read some mishmash. I think the ideal would be to immediately go to the source’s site.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. The reason I pay for Kagi is that I specifically don't want this to occur.

How much do you technologically relate to the average person on the street though? Every person I have seen (outside the tiny tech bubble) google something has just read the AI overview without skipping a beat.

That's worrisome since I've seen those be for-sure wrong a pretty high percentage of the time.

[EDIT] Incidentally, are there any sites that do actual web search any more, better than Yandex? I'd rather avoid a Russian site if I can, but there are whole topics where it's impossible to find anything useful on heavily "massaged" allegedly-Web-search-but-not-really sites like Google and DDG (Bing), but I can find what I want on page 1 or 2 of a Yandex search. Is Kagi as good as that, or is their index simply ignoring a whole bunch of the Web like so many others? I don't mind paying.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#28

I always wondered why someone couldn't do this. Google was invented many years ago by two guys in a dorm room and since then there's been so many white papers and advancements in the public sphere and the actual underlying problem has not changed that much, that it seems like it could be done by a small group or independent person.

The actual underlying problem has changed altogether. Pagerank is easily gamed by SEO. Search candidates and rankings now require assessment by LLM. Moreover, as a default, users want the results intelligently synthesized into a text response with references rather than as raw results. Crawling too requires innovative approaches to bypass server filters. I doubt any independent person can afford to run a vector datab…

>Pagerank

Also a lot of site owners are reluctant to link out. So much so that 'nofollow' had been reduced to a hint rather than a directive.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#29

I always wondered why someone couldn't do this. Google was invented many years ago by two guys in a dorm room and since then there's been so many white papers and advancements in the public sphere and the actual underlying problem has not changed that much, that it seems like it could be done by a small group or independent person.

We have Marginalia which serves a specific use-case: https://about.marginalia-search.com/

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

#30
> “I think it’s definitely lowered the barrier,” Lin says of the LLM’s role in enabling DIY search engines. “To me, it seems like the only barrier to actually competing with Google, creating an alternate search engine, is not so much the technology, it’s mostly the market forces.”

Oh sweet summer child

Post reply on HN