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All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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To me, vibe coding is all about "make something that kinda works, quickly, to test and play and create." It shouldn't replace the specifics of a design, a functional specification, or the thought process that creates a final product.

Perhaps that's obvious to others, but it felt worth saying from my perspective. If vibe coding tools are touting themselves as a key to easy wealth, shame on the product and marketing teams creating the messaging.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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I think there is one thing that most people miss, obviously! => You can use AI to double-check (not single check), avoid overengineering, fill knowledge gaps, scan for inconsistencies and many more things. The main benefit it has for me is not that it codes me stuff real fast. It is that my learning curve improved, drastically, whenever I have a missunderstanding. I dive down and test it. Sometimes AI is wrong and I…

"If you combine AI capabilities with debugging skills and testing you have a lot of power as developer nowadays" - precisely. As a tool for learning and expanding existing capabilities - it's phenomenal. I've not found anything this compelling for exploring areas that are new to me, and for getting a 1000ft view of a tech landscape (or almost any endeavour). Does that mean it gets it entirely correct? Hell no, but neither does a web browsing spelunking session aggregation random opinions from reddit and stack exchange.

If you want to outsource your skill and thinking - that's never going to go particularly well.

It almost seems like a test for impulse control - those who can restrain themselves from taking shortcuts with it can gain tremendous capabilities.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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> at first i was very hopeful i can finally 'build' now with my minimal tech skills This is the problem. If you couldn't have coded it slowly in the old world, you will have problems coding it in AI world. However if you have a lot of coding experience, you can now compress the time it would have taken you be an enormous amount. My experience is that I can now make extensive changes with very little effort, and very…

This will be a big problem in the future if it means more companies choosing not to hire/train juniors. Eventually all the experienced people will be dead or retired.

The answer here is two-fold --

1) that the tools become more Socratic and interactive and educational and walk the engineer through what they're doing

2) juniors pair with a senior who is using the tool and see the process and the decisions being made.

I know the industry wants these things to replace us, but in fact it's more like a power drill than a spinning jenny. It augments and lets the existing craftsmen work better faster, but does not replace / automate really.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

#24

> at first i was very hopeful i can finally 'build' now with my minimal tech skills This is the problem. If you couldn't have coded it slowly in the old world, you will have problems coding it in AI world. However if you have a lot of coding experience, you can now compress the time it would have taken you be an enormous amount. My experience is that I can now make extensive changes with very little effort, and very…

Translating to new libraries or languages is the one thing i see ai providing a substantial benefit. Of course once you get the new project started, the initial bump in efficiency rapidly goes to zero. That’s still valuable, but man is it overhyped.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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> at first i was very hopeful i can finally 'build' now with my minimal tech skills This is the problem. If you couldn't have coded it slowly in the old world, you will have problems coding it in AI world. However if you have a lot of coding experience, you can now compress the time it would have taken you be an enormous amount. My experience is that I can now make extensive changes with very little effort, and very…

This will be a big problem in the future if it means more companies choosing not to hire/train juniors. Eventually all the experienced people will be dead or retired.

Assuming the current way to become senior is the only way?

I could still see a select few being given a foot in the door and leaping over the "argh why doesn't it compile" stage, past the "argh, I need a whole new architecture" stage to become senior in a few years. Every cohort has a few unicorns.

Alternatively, coding goes the way of the calculator. By that I mean, the people that used to be part of the engineering team, doing arithmetic. You just hire domain experts and give them the AI hoping the domain expertise is all you need to get you through the day.

Finance has historically had a lot of people who thought they could code, now perhaps they will get better. Big risk of it becoming a mess larger than back when they got VBA.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

#28

I was at a coffee shop a little while ago with some friends and a stranger was sitting near us working on his laptop. Someone from our group decided to strike up a conversation with him and the stranger started telling us about how now they have these AI tools that can have you make an app in a few hours and without knowing how to code. He was not a software person but look at what he is able to do with it. The impli…

People say this, but you'll know it's real or not when the world will drown in a mountain of AI-authored shovelware from non-engineers.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

#29

I was at a coffee shop a little while ago with some friends and a stranger was sitting near us working on his laptop. Someone from our group decided to strike up a conversation with him and the stranger started telling us about how now they have these AI tools that can have you make an app in a few hours and without knowing how to code. He was not a software person but look at what he is able to do with it. The impli…

A bunch of Tesla drivers think they have an autonomous driving car, too. Doesn't make it reality. My brother thinks he's going to make "an AI agent" to discern bias in news when he himself has the information literacy of an ignorant ipad baby.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

#30

Meh. The greater scam here is that rugged individualism can lead to positive societal outcomes. Just more free market capitalism, bro! We just need more freedom for the tech bros, the finance bros, bro! This AI shit is yet another oh look - increase in rugged individual 'productivity' is going to lead to positive societal outcomes, trust me, bro! It's all bullshit but what else have the western retarded elite got? Or…

what a roller coaster. i was with you mostly until the end of your rant. climate change is a real problem; one, in fact, that many of the elites you speak of are actively working to exacerbate for short-term gain. that felt kinda out of left field for someone who's essentially espousing leftwing ideology, which more or less entirely embraces climate change as a major concern.
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