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Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

diggan wrote: post #17
tantalor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a dark pattern

Maybe I'm old or just wrong, but "dark pattern" for me means "intentionally misleading" which doesn't seem to be the case here, this is more of a "add liveliness so users can see it's not static data" with no intention of misleading, since it seems to be true that the data is actually dynamic.

I wouldn't go so far as to call this specific implementation a dark pattern, but it is misleading. It suggests the data updated right when I loaded the page, which obviously isn't true as I can see the same 16->17 transition on a refresh.

I'd prefer a "Data last updated at " indicator somewhere. Now I know it's live data and I know how old the data is. Is it as cute / friendly / fun? Probably not. But it's definitely more precise and less misleading.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

This site provides quantifiable evidence of billions of dollars being spent too quickly:

"That's right" is glue for human engagement. It's a signal that someone is thinking from your perspective.

"You're right" does the opposite. It's a phrase to get you to shut up and go away. It's a signal that someone is unqualified to discuss the topic.

https://youtube.com/v/gKaX5DSngd4

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by osigurdson »

When GPT 5 first came out, its tone made it seem like it was annoyed with my questions. It's now back to thinking I am awesome. Sometimes it feels overdone but it is better than talking to an AI jerk.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by CGamesPlay »

tyushk wrote: post #3

I wonder if this is a tactic that LLM providers use to coerce the model into doing something. Gemini will often start responses that use the canvas tool with "Of course", which would force the model into going down a line of tokens that end up with attempting to fulfill the user's request. It happens often enough that it seems like it's not being generated by the model, but instead inserted by the backend. Maybe "you…

I think this is on the right track, but I think it's a byproduct of the reinforcement learning, rather than something hard-coded. Basically, the model has to train itself to follow the user's instruction, so by starting a response with "You're absolutely right!", it puts the model into the thought pattern of doing whatever the user said.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by layer8 »

osigurdson wrote: post #26

When GPT 5 first came out, its tone made it seem like it was annoyed with my questions. It's now back to thinking I am awesome. Sometimes it feels overdone but it is better than talking to an AI jerk.

It's secretly still annoyed, though. ;)

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by pflenker »

Gemini keeps telling me "you've hit a common frustration/issue/topic/..." so often it is actively pushing me away from using it. It either makes me feel stupid because I ask it a stupid question and it pretends - probably to not hurt my feelings - that everyone has the same problem, or it makes me feel stupid because I felt smart about asking my super duper edge case question no one else has probably ever asked before and it tells me that everyone is wondering the same thing. Either way I feel stupid.
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