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Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by HankStallone »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #17
AuthAuth wrote: post #7

Interesting but boring approach. I think he weighs the social positives to low and the consequences of disagreement to high. Lets take politics at work. If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. Which is good and it can be fun to talk politics and see why people think the way they do. If people disagree thats fine. If theyget mad thats on them. You can alw…

> If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. Except you don't know this. People depend on their jobs. If they're the only one who holds an alternate view, they may not figure it worth it. Why risk alienating yourself and potentially be seen as less likeable, which might put your means of income at risk?

In an example of that from academia[1], 88% of college students said they had pretended to hold beliefs they didn't have in order to protect themselves socially or academically.

[1] https://thehill.com/opinion/education/5446702-performative-v...

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by extraisland »

4ndrewl wrote: post #20
extraisland wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That seems like an incredibly selfish way of thinking. Not at all. Many times you will find yourself wanting to take action but it would be counter productive. e.g. I had a superior leave a bunch of papers on my desk. I assumed they were for me and starting reading. It had a list of redundancies. Some of these people I knew and was quite friendly with. If I had told them, I could have potentially got myself in a bu…

I dunno, at the place of work because that's where power is exercised - which is what politics is? But ok, let's not talk about Miguel who "no longer works here" or Sara who had to move to a different state.

> I dunno, at the place of work because that's where power is exercised - which is what politics is?

That isn't what is commonly understood. Especially in the scope of this discussion.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by 4ndrewl »

extraisland wrote: post #22
4ndrewl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, at the place of work because that's where power is exercised - which is what politics is? But ok, let's not talk about Miguel who "no longer works here" or Sara who had to move to a different state.

> I dunno, at the place of work because that's where power is exercised - which is what politics is? That isn't what is commonly understood. Especially in the scope of this discussion.

Arguably because people no longer talk about politics.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by extraisland »

4ndrewl wrote: post #23
extraisland wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I dunno, at the place of work because that's where power is exercised - which is what politics is? That isn't what is commonly understood. Especially in the scope of this discussion.

Arguably because people no longer talk about politics.

People talk about politics all the time in some form or the other, in fact it wormed it way into almost everything unfortunately. So I think that just isn't true.

You seem to insistent that it should be talked about at the work place, despite the rationale for not discussing it is quite sound. So I don't really think there is point in continuing.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by GoToRO »

About political talk: "If you stay quiet: No loss, potential small gain (being seen as professional)"

Later on, you get Communism in America and people will not even know what hit them. Massive loss. People that speak up, often don't do it for their own gain.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by dttze »

GoToRO wrote: post #26

About political talk: "If you stay quiet: No loss, potential small gain (being seen as professional)" Later on, you get Communism in America and people will not even know what hit them. Massive loss. People that speak up, often don't do it for their own gain.

Why would the historically fascist country, one that has spent untold fortunes suppressing communism globally, magically become communist?

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by AuthAuth »

kbenson wrote: post #10
AuthAuth wrote: post #7

Interesting but boring approach. I think he weighs the social positives to low and the consequences of disagreement to high. Lets take politics at work. If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. Which is good and it can be fun to talk politics and see why people think the way they do. If people disagree thats fine. If theyget mad thats on them. You can alw…

> If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. You state that as it it's a a truism. There are many times when having a group not be homogeneous allows for a greater breadth of knowledge and consideration to be brought to bear on a topic. The point of being professional is that it's a way to allow people that may be very different to coexist and function toge…

You can be a professional and disagree. You can also get to know the people you work along side on a personal level and that involves sharing ideas.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by AuthAuth »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #17
AuthAuth wrote: post #7

Interesting but boring approach. I think he weighs the social positives to low and the consequences of disagreement to high. Lets take politics at work. If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. Which is good and it can be fun to talk politics and see why people think the way they do. If people disagree thats fine. If theyget mad thats on them. You can alw…

> If you talk about politics and everyone agrees then you know you are working along side aligned people. Except you don't know this. People depend on their jobs. If they're the only one who holds an alternate view, they may not figure it worth it. Why risk alienating yourself and potentially be seen as less likeable, which might put your means of income at risk?

If they want to supress their views to protect from alienation thats fine and kinda of a good thing. Sounds like talking politics has prevented someone from sharing their abhorrent views maybe the next step is them considering why they are afraid to share their views and stand behind them.

Re: Game theory at work: When to talk and when to shut up (2024)

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Post by GoToRO »

dttze wrote: post #27
GoToRO wrote: post #26

About political talk: "If you stay quiet: No loss, potential small gain (being seen as professional)" Later on, you get Communism in America and people will not even know what hit them. Massive loss. People that speak up, often don't do it for their own gain.

Why would the historically fascist country, one that has spent untold fortunes suppressing communism globally, magically become communist?

Because one dude that only cares about himself took the money from another communist dictator. There is no difference between fascism and communism in implementation; they are both dictatorships with little to no difference in the everyday life of people.
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