If we can get dinner from mom, who needs a grocery store?
Seems like the same logic to me. Isn't the Web where the information came from?
If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
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Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
What contracts are those?
The contracts that the founders of the US constitution based the constitution on. You may want to start with Leviathan, then move on to John Locke, Hobbes and Descartes. No post I make will ever substitute for a reading of those authors.
this website is insufferable.
instead of explaining yourself, you offer a pretentious reading list? those authors wrote a LOT and had many different topics. you couldn't even point to any specific writing?
give me a fucking break. you just want to sound smart. this website is filled with the most arrogant people anywhere on the Internet. if you want to comment about an idea, and then you intend to recommend several semesters' worth of reading instead of just explaining your comment when someone asks nicely, maybe kindly shut the fuck up instead?
you had no reason to post this comment, or the first one, besides making yourself feel superior
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#23It already has, and it will destroy quite a lot more before all is said and done. Fundamentally, it breaks the social and generational contracts needed for societal organization to operate. While these structures won't vanish overnight, the consequences are cascading failures that will produce dire outcomes the longer they are allowed to fester.
What contracts are those?
That effort over time = some reward (recognition, assets, or preferably both)
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#24> While the ecosystem in which the Web thrived had one colossal flaw, namely, Surveillance Capitalism,b it had a stable business model. That business model is now being threatened by GenAI Good. If there is one silver lining to generative AI, then it is that programmatic advertising will become less viable as a source of income. If the internet were to overnight become a place where it is impossible to make money via…
What happens when openai starts interjecting ads into chatgpt output?
who guarantees that this is not already happening?
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#25Need to add AI agents are also raising hosting web content costs. The freebie won’t last for too long before AI will have to pay something to crawl the web
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#26I guess people that need to verify the correctness of their information still need the web.
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#27The "AI" training robber barons still need the web. Otherwise, "AI" just induces web and computer fatigue. All these genius corporations will find that they are destroying perfectly working revenue streams with their collective "AI" cult. They don't seem to remember that they got filthy rich before 2023.
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not good. Have you considered the second order effects of a breakdown of communications? Marketing and Advertising is about communicating a product to someone that may be interested in purchasing it. If Communications is jammed because AI slop has dominated the web, no marketing happens, no hiring happens, no purchases are made because no jobs. In short order (relatively speaking), you get deflationary collapse of al…
> In short order (relatively speaking), you get deflationary collapse of all human organization. Lolol no, human organization would not collapse because web advertising went away.
Your wrong. Here's how it might go down.
Web advertising goes away because communications platforms reach the Shannon limit driven by AI generated slop, and deceit. People can no longer communicate with each other, this spawns chaotic hallucinations and delusions that grow into a dragon-king event. Businesses make decisions based on the hallucinatory perceptions that are not sound resulting in losses. Money-printing increases to try to cope with losses by extending debt nationalizing the economy, inflationary pressures cause rapid devaluation of the dollar which in turn puts companies responsible for food production out of business. This culminates in one single company remaining in the food production sector that serves as inputs for other smaller companies, and then they too fail due to chaotic instability and devaluation of the currency, with no further food production thereafter citing regulatory and safety issues confounded by corruption. All the while advertising to everyone that food will be available in the future, but never actually taking the steps to make it happen given the desperate situation that cannot be resolved.
Three days later, most people start getting desperate to feed their families. Rioting breaks out. Some start resorting to cannibalism, looting, and ivolence. The electric grid fails. Production of everything ceases, and the remaining people kill each other using guns/other tools, or detonate nuclear bombs ending it for everyone.
The relation between each step of this is a small domino that by itself wouldn't break a resilient system, it would only break in a predisposed centralized system, a system that has been optimized for chaos to create profit.
You've got the cause and effect reversed that seems based in fallacy. Are you one of those people that would say, "This can't ever happen", sound in that false belief but through your actions then try to make it happen?
Cascade failures lag with time. If you juggle balls up in the air, eventually they will all come down at the same time, where you won't be able to react. This is why these failures are so serious and existential, and shouldn't be ignored by rational people. Those that ignore reality end up dying through their own choices given sufficient time.
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#29If we can get dinner from mom, who needs a grocery store? Seems like the same logic to me. Isn't the Web where the information came from?
Mom needs something very like a grocery store to get food from. LLM training does not need HTTP, HTTPS, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, hyperlinks, banner ads, cookies, and so on. Yes the web was a convenient source to find a lot of text but it's not the only source.
Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?
#30> While the ecosystem in which the Web thrived had one colossal flaw, namely, Surveillance Capitalism,b it had a stable business model. That business model is now being threatened by GenAI Good. If there is one silver lining to generative AI, then it is that programmatic advertising will become less viable as a source of income. If the internet were to overnight become a place where it is impossible to make money via…
What happens when openai starts interjecting ads into chatgpt output?
Then the fools who continue to use it can enjoy their crappy little corner of the internet