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Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

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Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

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I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes.

I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#22

I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes. I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

We already have this data in a way, from cities where there is no running water and people rely on bottled water for drinking and washing.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

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> While the park trees contained lead isotopes normally associated with air pollution, the street trees had isotopes found in lead water pipes, which were made with metal from geologically old deposits in nearby mines. I don't understand this part. We didn't use different sources of lead to make leaded gas and lead pipes, no?

We didn't put elemental lead in gasoline, it was a very different molecule with a single lead atom. Given how dense lead is, you want to source it from as physically close as you can. A foundry making pipes in a city with a lead mine nearby will obviously use the local lead.

For gasoline, all production had to be centralized in a few refineries. The lead would have been shipped in, and would have been largely the same quality and age, likely coming from the same mine, or geographically close mines. Plus the absolute quantity of lead added to gasoline is relatively small. In the 60 years the US used TEL, we processed about 8 million tons of lead. Averaged out, it's 133 thousand tons a year. It would only take a few mines to provide that much. Probably not more than five or ten, but I can't immediately find good data on this.

One would expect that the lead used in gasoline is pretty homogeneous across time, and that intensive lead use (as in casting into solid metal object like pipes) would use the nearest available source, and use that source for as long as possible.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#24

I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes. I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

We already have this data in a way, from cities where there is no running water and people rely on bottled water for drinking and washing.

That’s not biased at all.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#25

I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes. I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

Those leaks are 99.9% one way.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#26

I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes. I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

Those leaks are 99.9% one way.

That way being 'sewage leaking into the ecosystem '?

Followed by ecosystem being collected and put back into drinking water, most of which only has pretty lightweight treatment which doesn't even involve testing for any viruses which have snuck through.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#28

I wonder how much human health is impacted by these leaky pipes. I would like to see a city where pipes are guaranteed leak free, for example by making them double walled with high pressure air in the outer layer, and then seeing if disease levels in the city are lower.

Alameda county does something similar for health reasons. All home sales require pressure testing the sewer lateral. With replacement required if it fails before the deed can transfer or a loan is funded.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

#29

Or if you're a willow tree you make a leaky pipe.

We had a lemon tree that did this. The irrigation line connector was probably not 100% sealed and the roots grew to it slowly broke it. It enabled the lemon tree to gets lots of water and grow. Meanwhile the trees further down the irrigation line suffered.

Re: Trees on city streets cope with drought by drinking from leaky pipes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those leaks are 99.9% one way.

That way being 'sewage leaking into the ecosystem '? Followed by ecosystem being collected and put back into drinking water, most of which only has pretty lightweight treatment which doesn't even involve testing for any viruses which have snuck through.

The pipes are pressurized, so I would expect there to be limited avenue for infiltration. (Also, for sewage exposure, you’d need two leaks close together. Not impossible or anything, but much less likely.
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