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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by FergusArgyll »

blibble wrote: post #7
net01 wrote: post #4

Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here. This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

The target of the Boston Tea Party was the British implementation of the Tea Act of May 10, 1773, which allowed the East India Company to sell tea from China in the colonies without paying taxes apart from those imposed by the Townshend Acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by nickdothutton »

Step 1, pass law.

Step 2, demand compliance.

Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines.

Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2).

Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc.

5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by perihelions »

macinjosh wrote: post #20

Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.

I'd be totally un-shocked if the UK criminalized Starlink (over OSA or otherwise), in part because they've already criminalized it before, in some of their territories[0,1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42979869 ("Starlink in the Falkland Islands – A national emergency situation? (openfalklands.com)"—225 comments)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37645945 ("Saint Helena Island Communications (sainthelenaisland.info)"—145 comments)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by doka_smoka »

zdragnar wrote: post #12
blibble wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

I don't feel represented on the national or international stage AT ALL. Maybe I'll stop paying mine.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

net01 wrote: post #25
macinjosh wrote: post #20

Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.

Imagine if some tech like DNS over UHF radio What could the UK do?

> Imagine if some tech like DNS over UHF radio What could the UK do?

Criminalize this usage of UHF radio.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Klaster_1 »

jmclnx wrote: post #8

>If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access. Well again I guess the UK never heard of VPNs, but they are trying to ban them still, it is like these pols have no clue how the internet works. They never learn these actions are like playing wack-a-mole.

It doesn't matter if naive blocking means can be trivially circumvented. This creates a chilling effect, less technically proficient people will just move to other sites. When circumvention becomes an offence, now government has one more point of leverage over you - they manufacture law under which almost everyone is guilty.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

doka_smoka wrote: post #24
zdragnar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

I don't feel represented on the national or international stage AT ALL. Maybe I'll stop paying mine.

> I don't feel represented on the national or international stage AT ALL. Maybe I'll stop paying mine.

Now gather a huge group of friends who are willing to fight for this cause (and for whose this cause is so important that they can accept ending in jail or even worse).

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by _heimdall »

zdragnar wrote: post #12
blibble wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

A similar argument can be made against the tariffs though.

US consumers will be paying the bulk of the tariffs through price increases. We do have representatives in Congress, they just weren't the ones imposing tariffs.

edit: as fun as silent down votes are, it would be interesting to hear where you might disagree

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