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Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by nkrisc »

lovich wrote: post #8
LiamPowell wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

> I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access.

Our tax dollars go towards protecting lots of different things for lots of different people (including me and you) that we have no rights to at all, nor ever will.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by nkrisc »

mattmanser wrote: post #13
jaccola wrote: post #10

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This argument is so ridiculous I must be misunderstanding you. By your logic you owe me access your house since my tax dollars pay for the legal system that gives you property rights?!

It's not ridiculous, that's the deal (at least it was). It's not actual property. It's a made up concept, you actually lose nothing physical if it's copied. That concept was created and granted to encourage people to create. You get a certain period to commercialize it, then it's public property. Hiding it away to prevent that is a breach of the spirit of the agreement society made with the creator. That you believe…

Physical property rights are made up too. How can you claim to own something if you aren’t actively defending it nor physically possessing it in that moment.

Do you “own” your house even when you’re not home? Yes, you do, because we all agreed on this made up thing called “property rights” and we pay our tax dollars to have it enforced. Otherwise whoever is in your house “owns” it until you or someone else forcible removes them or convinces them to leave.

All our rules are “made up”.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by vintermann »

LiamPowell wrote: post #6
charcircuit wrote: post #4

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>is weird and crosses many limits. It's similar in format to communities that obssess over "lost media." The inability to pirate or get access to something becomes an obsession. Even if the piece of media exists in an archive somewhere, that doesn't matter to them because it's about the fact that they themselves don't have access to it that has become the obsession.

There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

That should be the default assumption. It's restrictions which require justification in a liberal society, not freedoms.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by Planktonne »

vintermann wrote: post #23
LiamPowell wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

That should be the default assumption. It's restrictions which require justification in a liberal society, not freedoms.

"Everyone has to share everything" is a restriction, not a freedom.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by mik1998 »

zenoprax wrote: post #15
lovich wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

Without IP law it is all or nothing: obfuscate, hide, encrypt, and protect lest it become public domain. With IP law you are given the exclusive, enforceable right to control the distribution and sale of an idea for N years... at which point it becomes public domain. In either case the decision to publish an idea will inevitably make it public domain. The government protects their shit because $REASONS but there is a…

This was fine when N = 28. Now it's life of the author plus 95 so there is almost no possibility of anything released in your lifetime to be a part of the public domain before you die.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by charcircuit »

yrxuthst wrote: post #20
charcircuit wrote: post #19

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>It's a made up concept Physical property is made up too. You don't lose anything from someone sleeping on your couch either.

If someone is sleeping on your couch, then you lose the ability to sleep on it yourself, because they are taking up the space.

Well then they can sleep in your bed if you want the couch or someone else in your home you aren't using.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by astrobe_ »

picafrost wrote: post #12

Internet denizens love opening a locked box. This phenomenon has been weaponized by the gaming industry in the form of loot boxes.

It is strange to me that people obsess on programming in-game with "red stone" etc. That said I am dayjob programmer so the last thing I want to do on my free time and is to program stuff.

I made a game that uses the Luanti "voxel" engine (MC-likes games of course, but also transposition of other genres), and even programming that is bit of a chore but that's the price to pay to play the game you want to play (there's much more to that than just programming/modding; game design is a rabbit hole).

But I think that it would be more rewarding for those who are curious about programming to start modding, especially in Luanti because it is relatively well documented and it's Lua. In a way, making it rain with the programmable particle spawner the engine provides is a loot box locked by an API, with hints on how to open it in the docs ;-)

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by navane »

nkrisc wrote: post #22
mattmanser wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not ridiculous, that's the deal (at least it was). It's not actual property. It's a made up concept, you actually lose nothing physical if it's copied. That concept was created and granted to encourage people to create. You get a certain period to commercialize it, then it's public property. Hiding it away to prevent that is a breach of the spirit of the agreement society made with the creator. That you believe…

Physical property rights are made up too. How can you claim to own something if you aren’t actively defending it nor physically possessing it in that moment. Do you “own” your house even when you’re not home? Yes, you do, because we all agreed on this made up thing called “property rights” and we pay our tax dollars to have it enforced. Otherwise whoever is in your house “owns” it until you or someone else forcible r…

Nuance beaten by a strawman. Well done.

You know what, your words are all made up.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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Post by Bjartr »

bakugo wrote: post #7
LiamPowell wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

> I don't understand where that sentiment comes from. Human nature. Refusing to accept being told "no" by some greater force is the instinct that pushed humanity forward to where we are today.

That's a rather romantic way to say stubbornness is sometimes effective
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