Cloudflare incident on August 21, 2025
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#24And no one knew a single thing about it until the incident. That is the current network management state of the art, let Cloudflare deal.
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#25Only real long term mitigation is to move to another aws region; us-east-1 seems to suffer from all kinds of scaling challenges.
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#26Wild that one tenant’s cache-hit traffic could tip over Cloudflare’s interconnect capacity
You'd be surprised how low the capacity of a lot of internet links is. 10Gbps is common on smaller networks - let me rephrase that, a small to medium ISP might only have 10Gbps to each of most of their peering partners. Normally, traffic is distributed, going to different places, coming from different places, and each link is partially utilized. But unusual patterns can fill up one specific link. 10Gbps is old techno…
For instance, people will be scraping at a "growing" rate as they figure out how everything AI works. We might as well figure out some standard seeded data packages for training that ~all sources/sectors agree to make available as public torrents to reduce this type of problem.
[I realize this ask is currently idealistic, but it's an anchor point to negotiate from.]
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#27Wild that one tenant’s cache-hit traffic could tip over Cloudflare’s interconnect capacity
That's what started the incident. It was prolonged by the fact that Cloudflare didn't react correctly to withdrawn BGP routes to a major peer, that the secondary routes had reduced capacity due to unaddressed problems, and basic nuisance rate limiting had to be done manually. It seems like they just build huge peering pipes and basically just hope for the best. They've maybe gotten so used to this working that they'l…
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#28Only real long term mitigation is to move to another aws region; us-east-1 seems to suffer from all kinds of scaling challenges.
There's nothing to suggest the link between Cloudflare and any other AWS region has more capacity or that there aren't more disruptive Cloudflare customers using those regions.
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#30Anyone want to tell Cloudflare that BGP advertisements at AWS are automated and their congested network directly cause BGP withdrawals as the automated system detected congestion and decreased traffic to remediate it?
I imagine Cloudflare and AWS were on a Chime bridge while this all went down, they both have a lot at stake here.