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Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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How many times has a chatbot successfully taken care of a customer support problem you had? I have had success, but the success rate is less than 5%. Maybe even way less than 5%. Companies need to stop looking at customer support as an expense, but rather as an opportunity to build trust and strengthen your business relationship. They warn against assessing someone when everything is going well for them - the true me…

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Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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How many times has a chatbot successfully taken care of a customer support problem you had? I have had success, but the success rate is less than 5%. Maybe even way less than 5%. Companies need to stop looking at customer support as an expense, but rather as an opportunity to build trust and strengthen your business relationship. They warn against assessing someone when everything is going well for them - the true me…

This is mentioned a lot, but it's still true - people on HN are not representative of the majority of users for customer support.

The majority of support tickets are repetitive and answered by a simple formula the representative churns without thinking. Which is likely easily replaceable by chatbots.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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post #3

How many times has a chatbot successfully taken care of a customer support problem you had? I have had success, but the success rate is less than 5%. Maybe even way less than 5%. Companies need to stop looking at customer support as an expense, but rather as an opportunity to build trust and strengthen your business relationship. They warn against assessing someone when everything is going well for them - the true me…

This is mentioned a lot, but it's still true - people on HN are not representative of the majority of users for customer support. The majority of support tickets are repetitive and answered by a simple formula the representative churns without thinking. Which is likely easily replaceable by chatbots.

It will be interesting to see how this evolves over time though. As the older generation of folks who generally don't even understand what having an account means on websites exit the customer pool the purpose of support tools could significantly change.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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post #3

How many times has a chatbot successfully taken care of a customer support problem you had? I have had success, but the success rate is less than 5%. Maybe even way less than 5%. Companies need to stop looking at customer support as an expense, but rather as an opportunity to build trust and strengthen your business relationship. They warn against assessing someone when everything is going well for them - the true me…

This is mentioned a lot, but it's still true - people on HN are not representative of the majority of users for customer support. The majority of support tickets are repetitive and answered by a simple formula the representative churns without thinking. Which is likely easily replaceable by chatbots.

>The majority of support tickets are repetitive and answered by a simple formula the representative churns without thinking. Which is likely easily replaceable by chatbots.

I think a large fraction of those repetitive requests are covering up gaps in the customer portal/whatever by doing data entry the customer could be doing.

Like "if you need your address changed call support" type stuff.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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> Now, CBA has apologized to the fired workers. A spokesperson told Bloomberg that they can choose to come back to their prior roles, seek another position, or leave the firm with an exit payment. So no real consequences to the Bank for these underhanded tactics, since this just returns everything back to status quo before the layoffs, perhaps with reduced overall headcount as some workers choose not to return and ta…

True, but the union protected its workers from those at the bank. That is the value in the union. In jurisdictions without a union or parity labor policy, these workers would have no recourse for this fraud and the lies.

Absolutely! The union did great. My comment is more about, what is stopping the Bank from doing this again? Because there doesn't really seem to be a downside to attempting it. When they lose, they just have to give everyone their job back, but probably end up ahead due to attrition

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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I don't think this was "forced" as in "a court told them to rehire them", as it seems the bank agreed to rehire them before the case got to the tribunal. I think this was "forced" as in "their innovations didn't work out as well as they had hoped, so they needed to hire people experienced in the job to make up for the people they had fired, and the only people that matched the description were the people they had fired"

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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I grew up in the rust belt. I've never heard of anyone leaving to "escape unions" but rather there just being not many jobs, lots of historic pollution to deal with, and a poor future economic outlook. Why were unions specifically to blame for your family leaving?

> never heard of anyone leaving to "escape unions" but rather there just being not many jobs

Union versus non-union is a quality versus quantity problem. Unions restrict the labour pool to increase wages. When that protects specialisation, it increases productivity. When it artificially constrains the labour pool, it decreases it.

A unionised job market showing unemployment (or underemployment) is usually an indication of the latter.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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The only time a chatbot worked for me is Amazon's, of all things. It auto approved my return after I answered a few questions. I haven't had any chatbot outside that be useful to me. I always end up getting to the end of all the prompts only to be told I need to speak to a human or the chatbot going in a circle, in which I have to reach out to a different layer of support.

Sounds like a downgrade to me considering the previous return flow was to just press the return link and answer one multiple choice question.

That's still how it is, at least for me in the US. I've never had to interact with a chat bot for anything, but maybe it depends on what you're returning.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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How many times has a chatbot successfully taken care of a customer support problem you had? I have had success, but the success rate is less than 5%. Maybe even way less than 5%. Companies need to stop looking at customer support as an expense, but rather as an opportunity to build trust and strengthen your business relationship. They warn against assessing someone when everything is going well for them - the true me…

The few times I've let a company sucker me into engaging with a chatbot, it was nothing but a worse interface to searching their support website. It was capable of nothing but directing me to pages which could not help me, because what I needed was not more information about the problem I already knew I had, but someone to fix the damn problem.

Re: Bank forced to rehire workers after lying about chatbot productivity, union says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird take, considering that according to the text of the article the "innovation" didn't bring any productivity gains.

The chatbots did bring productivity gains, the union argued that it wasn't significant enough for them to lay off people. I'm not as familiar with Australian union laws, but companies shouldn't be afraid to innovate like this. Wages don't go up through government force, they go up through innovation and increased efficiency

"Wages don't go up through government force, they go up through innovation and increased efficiency" - that might seems obvious to you but it seems to be both ahistorical and a misrepresentation of what has happened here. Unions aren't government force.
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