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Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by khazhoux »

gnerd00 wrote: post #5

As an American, I was fascinated to see an interview with an older Italian farm owner. She employed Sikhs in eastern Italy for farm labor. In the Italian language interview she explained like she was talking to a close friend, how actually the Sikhs eat their children back home, due to starvation... as if she was sharing a secret! (hint- this is wildly false and outrageous to say it) In other words, I do not believe…

> The look on the face of the farmer in the article adds no confidence that this is not the case

You can’t actually tell anything at all about a person’s moral character from their facial expression.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by mullingitover »

somenameforme wrote: post #18
mullingitover wrote: post #12

The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.

I don't understand how any person can come to a conclusion like this from this account. Some employees lied about their qualifications, showed up to work, were unable to do they work they claimed they knew how to do, were unwilling to learn or even try to do so, they quit, and the government then decided this company owed those employees 3/4 of the entire salary they would have been paid had they completed the entire…

> Some employees lied about their qualifications

The article uncritically printed this claim, however we have no reporting from the workers. For all we know they got off easy with the level of fines they received. The article is a press release.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by snowe2010 »

gnerd00 wrote: post #20
snowe2010 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You literally invented an entire fantasy to justify your racism. Absolutely none of what you said is even slightly provable, nor mentioned even vaguely in the article.

absolutely a real interview, stunning in the racism of the farm owner, actually

I don’t care about the person you saw an interview with, you invented a fantasy about the person in the article. Stunning in your racism.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by freddie_mercury »

arcfour wrote: post #13
freddie_mercury wrote: post #9

Kind of weird framing as "historic" and "violated the Constitution" when the actual decision from the court just says, "Following the Supreme Court’s recent decision in SEC v. Jarkesy, 603 U.S. 109 (2024), we hold that Sun Valley was entitled to have its case decided by an Article III court." Usually it is a non-story when lower courts start following a brand new Supreme Court precedent. Not sure why this one is on H…

It was interesting to read about the impact that unconstitutional actions by the government had on actual people in a real case, and how a Supreme Court ruling remedied it (partially). What a bizarre response. Do you have something against these people or something?

I found the initial lack of mention of the recent Supreme Court ruling weird and when I read the actual Circuit Court decision I felt the actual article was bad, biased journalism bordering on outright lying.

The article spends a lot of time telling us about this fourth generation farm and telling us about workers who quit after one day.

The actual circuit decision says they didn't provide adequate housing -- failing to put insect screens on doors and windows leading to an insect infestation and putting mattresses directly on the floor which is known to create mold. They also failed to provide free food as required and even started selling beverages at profit with no notice you the workers. They are also supposed to provide free transportation but were found to be using drivers who were driving illegally without licenses in all 5 vehicles.

I'm in favor of them getting a trial in a real court but the whole article smells fishy to me and came across as incredibly biased.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by [deleted] »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #24
arcfour wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was interesting to read about the impact that unconstitutional actions by the government had on actual people in a real case, and how a Supreme Court ruling remedied it (partially). What a bizarre response. Do you have something against these people or something?

I found the initial lack of mention of the recent Supreme Court ruling weird and when I read the actual Circuit Court decision I felt the actual article was bad, biased journalism bordering on outright lying. The article spends a lot of time telling us about this fourth generation farm and telling us about workers who quit after one day. The actual circuit decision says they didn't provide adequate housing -- failing…

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Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by arcfour »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #24
arcfour wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was interesting to read about the impact that unconstitutional actions by the government had on actual people in a real case, and how a Supreme Court ruling remedied it (partially). What a bizarre response. Do you have something against these people or something?

I found the initial lack of mention of the recent Supreme Court ruling weird and when I read the actual Circuit Court decision I felt the actual article was bad, biased journalism bordering on outright lying. The article spends a lot of time telling us about this fourth generation farm and telling us about workers who quit after one day. The actual circuit decision says they didn't provide adequate housing -- failing…

That is a much different response than "this article is not newsworthy at all, why would you even publish it?"

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by ETH_start »

aidenn0 wrote: post #17
ETH_start wrote: post #2

This kafkaesque nightmare is the same dysfunction you see in large corporations. It happens for the same reason: when organizations get too large, the people running different parts stop communicating effectively, and no one feels directly accountable. But there’s also a reason some companies grow so large in the first place. Scale brings benefits: standardized systems, the ability to hire specialists for every niche…

I've seen it in public school systems. It's never "this is the right thing to do" or "this is the wrong thing to do" it's "I can't justify this to my boss" so you meet with their boss who similarly passes the buck. Eventually you get high enough that it becomes "I delegated that to Person X." Then you meet with Person X who says "I don't have the power to make that decision."

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Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by ETH_start »

yndoendo wrote: post #16

That was a puff piece void if any details. The only idea that rings out is a separation of power. Said the USA seems to be going into the consolidation of power. SOTUS has stated that being an expert in a field and subject is meaningless, politicians should have complete say. The continuation of allow tariffs by executive order versus legislative branch, as written in law, is another example of the consolidation of g…

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Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by somenameforme »

mullingitover wrote: post #22
somenameforme wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how any person can come to a conclusion like this from this account. Some employees lied about their qualifications, showed up to work, were unable to do they work they claimed they knew how to do, were unwilling to learn or even try to do so, they quit, and the government then decided this company owed those employees 3/4 of the entire salary they would have been paid had they completed the entire…

> Some employees lied about their qualifications The article uncritically printed this claim, however we have no reporting from the workers. For all we know they got off easy with the level of fines they received. The article is a press release.

So your entire criticism comes down to you thinking the article is simply lying about that and presumably everything. And what reason do you have to believe this? And would you make such claims if it were an article that confirmed your biases?

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by UncleMeat »

bpodgursky wrote: post #14
mullingitover wrote: post #12

The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.

> In a seismic 2024 ruling with direct relevance to Sun Valley, SCOTUS ruled that citizens are entitled to a jury trial when hit with civil penalties imposed by administrative law judges. "Citizens are entitled to a jury trial". Is this really the hill you're going to die on — arguing that it's a terrible thing that people are entitled to defend themselves in court?

The 7th amendment has never been understood to be exhaustive.
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