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Sequoia backs Zed

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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Groxx »

decentrality wrote: post #2

DeltaDB sounds of being a >git innovation for coding itself, and would fulfill Zed's promises in Nathan Sobo's debate/discussion with Steve Yegge recently. Seems to solve a real problem which is growing rapidly, both in the old way and in the new way ... if it can overcome _slop_ in LLM chats, and the sheer enormity of code/data ahead. Trying to picture how coherence will survive. With claims/hype/concern floating ar…

For anyone not clicking through the link: it's from 5 months ago, predicting 90% of today's code will be from LLMs.

>I think we will be there in three to six months, where AI is writing 90% of the code.

They're going to keep saying it because it's a juicy sound bite and they're sales people. That doesn't make it any more true than "9 out of 10 dentists recommend our socks" or how we surely have all had flying cars for decades now.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by cholantesh »

throwaway329044 wrote: post #17
shafyy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you are being downvoted. This is a real issue and a legitimate concern to have as a user of this software. I feel the same way (never used Zed in the first place because they are VC backed, but this would have been the final straw for me, too).

Because Paul consistently violates HN guidelines: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This flagging is pretty obviously the actual violation of the guideline.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Dowwie »

Zed defaults don't seem to capture the full value of what it offers. For instance, edit predictions via tab completion are documented yet I've never experienced them. I need better settings, I guess.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by spudlyo »

mccoyb wrote: post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time.

Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my free DVCS tool in my free programmable text editor, building it with my free language toolchain, using my free terminal emulator/multiplexer with my free UNIX shell. VC backed tools like Warp and Zed that seek to innovate in this space are of zero interest to me as a developer.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by verdverm »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #7
ewf wrote: post #5

feels like we are giving up privacy for productivity.

wouldn’t be the first time a massive investment from someone like sequoia sparks the death of a previously great tool/service

Yea, this announcement makes it less likely I will try Zed

I don't want chat with coworkers in my IDE, nor do I feel the pains they describe with conversations spread between tools. It's not a top 5 problem

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by parentheses »

spudlyo wrote: post #25
mccoyb wrote: post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones.

Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

esafak wrote: post #16
conartist6 wrote: post #12

That brings them to 120x the amount of money I've invested in the same problem, and still they're only just announcing that they're intending to start trying to do something that I've already done better

Can we see?

It's apparently this but I can't really say that I get it: https://bablr.org

He seems to be saying he spent $350k making this. I guess it's some tooling for writing parsers.

He has this to say about Zed:

> Zed: Founded by Atom’s dev team, Zed was the rewrite that Atom always wanted to be able to do but couldn’t when Microsoft bought Github and made the executive decision to kill a product it might otherwise have had to compete with. Unfortunately Zed decided to do that rewrite in Rust. This has slowed their iteration speed, caused much of their dev effort to go to cross-platform support instead of innovation, cut them off from being able to offer their experience on the web, severely limited their hackability, and generally made theirs a niche tool for enthusiasts. What’s worse, their reliance on LSP — a product which believes that the presentation layer should be the primary abstraction layer — means their product is forever doomed to look like a VSCode knock-off. [1]

1. https://docs.bablr.org/architecture/prior-art/#ides

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by pton_xd »

> To make this possible, we're building DeltaDB: a new kind of version control that tracks every operation, not just commits.

Let me guess: DeltaDB is free to use as long as we host your data and have free range on training AI based on your editor interactions.

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