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It is no one’s right to decide if a people is made up or not.
As it stands, resistance to Israelis is enough to define them as a separate nation.
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#22How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?
Theory: Most HNer's are quite aware of the crummy situation, do not like depressing "Day nnn of Horrible Things Happening in Sudan" updates, and know that discussing Israeli/Palestinian issues on HN has a 0.000% chance of improving anything.
From what I understand, US still supports Israel. Public opinion matters to politicians, so it's not 0.000% chance.
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#23How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?
Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.
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#24How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?
Pretty easy to explain. Israelis, just like other people read HN too. They don't like such articles, so they flag them. If an article receives several flags, it's marked as flagged. Also, HN is tech site, not political site, so I'm not surprised by this, such articles may be considered off-topic.
I used to think that it’s beneficial to separate tech from politics but I’m convinced now that it’s a delusional stance. Politics is in tech whether we like it or not, CEOs have their political agenda and ideologies and often talk about them openly, their products directly impact people’s lives, some change the entire society. In the case of the Gaza genocide, Lavender and Gospel systems are the direct enabelers of such scale of devastation. I think it’s far from being off-topic.
In a nutshell, no politics is itself a political opinion (that happens to favor the dominant party).
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theory: Most HNer's are quite aware of the crummy situation, do not like depressing "Day nnn of Horrible Things Happening in Sudan" updates, and know that discussing Israeli/Palestinian issues on HN has a 0.000% chance of improving anything.
From what I understand, US still supports Israel. Public opinion matters to politicians, so it's not 0.000% chance.
Drake Equation:
{total # of HN readers} * {% who are American voters} * {% who bother reading submissions/comments on this topic} * {% who meaningfully change their opinion on the subject as a result of such reading} * {% who change to strongly opposing US support for Israel (because politicians don't much care about druthers)} * {% who "stick" in that new position, long-term} * ...
Multiply it out. Then compare to the number of US voters who'd need to switch to strongly opposing support for Israel, for the politicians to notice or care.
I'll stick with my 0.000%.
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#26How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?
Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.
I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :).
1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts.
2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto.
3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial project that is entirely inline with the 19th and 20th century European colonialism, with a supremacist idealogy at its core (ethnostate).
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And what power will force neighboring countries to absorb these people, exactly? Pure wishful thinking.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty easy to explain. Israelis, just like other people read HN too. They don't like such articles, so they flag them. If an article receives several flags, it's marked as flagged. Also, HN is tech site, not political site, so I'm not surprised by this, such articles may be considered off-topic.
I used to think that it’s beneficial to separate tech from politics but I’m convinced now that it’s a delusional stance. Politics is in tech whether we like it or not, CEOs have their political agenda and ideologies and often talk about them openly, their products directly impact people’s lives, some change the entire society. In the case of the Gaza genocide, Lavender and Gospel systems are the direct enabelers of s…
Let's assume that I have an idea on my mind that could potentially change the power generation and usage landscape and society (think 80% efficient solar power AND 80% reduction in power usage in data centers AND increase power output from most existing power plants by 30% AND solve power storage problem), but I wonder how should I approach distributing it. Should I somehow prevent Chinese, Israelis and USA from having this and using it to enhance oppression of other nations? How would you approach such political problem as a CEO?
Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank
#29How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?
I agree with flagging most political topics, and most such horrible happenings in the world as TFA. This place is supposed to foster curious, intellectual discussion, and the umpteenth report of what amounts to be the same horrible thing doesn't do that, at all. There is a disgusting glut of horribleness constantly happening in the world, and we don't need to discuss the particulars of most of it.
Something I think that has a chance to spark constructive discussion is when there are significant changes in such a thing, be that change positive or negative. And those discussions usually stay on the HN pages too, because while I'm sure many are flagging them, many are voting for them as well. As the HN guidelines put it: "Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.
I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :). 1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts. 2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto. 3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial pr…
> In essence, it’s a century-old colonial project that is entirely inline with the 19th and 20th century European colonialism, with a supremacist idealogy at its core (ethnostate).
I don't think that's a proper characterization. Migration way strongly regulated back then. Only after WWII when the crimes of the Nazis became public, mass migration to the southern Levante were allowed. It's therefore not a colonial project, but driven by what happened at that time (Holocaust). Arabic/Muslim and other citizen are well integrated into society as far as I am aware so I am not convinced supremacist/ethnostate is a fitting description either.