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Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by JSR_FDED »

lubsch wrote: post #6
JSR_FDED wrote: post #3

Weird contradiction in the article - it warns us not to complacently write off those who appear shameless… but also: > any major politician sticking to a pre-2016 playbook today is almost certainly not going to win.

I'm not sure where you see a contradiction. Could you explain it to me? As I see it, the author claims that those who appear shameless are increasingly successful in today's day and age. The second statement is a prediction that basically follows from that and I feel like the prediction is holding up.

What I meant was that on the one hand the article says that we shouldn’t underestimate the shameless. On the other hand it says that the person who employed shamelessness in the first election likely won’t win again (thereby underestimating the shameless).

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by bc569a80a344f9c »

eszed wrote: post #16
rogerkirkness wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to unsee metamodern in movies once you see it. I did a 'self aware waldo' monologue in high school drama class, didn't realize it was meta modern.

Can you give me an example or two?

Not a movie, but according to the wiki article linked a little further up the book “A Visit From The Goon Squad” by Jennifer Egan has metamodern qualities, and I heartily recommend reading it. It’s fantastic. The section in the format of a PowerPoint presentation about her brother that one of the main character’s daughter gives at her school is incredibly beautiful. One of my top five experiences reading.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by harimau777 »

lowwave wrote: post #10
lubsch wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where you see a contradiction. Could you explain it to me? As I see it, the author claims that those who appear shameless are increasingly successful in today's day and age. The second statement is a prediction that basically follows from that and I feel like the prediction is holding up.

Shamelessly authentic might be what is causing the increasingly success now days. Doubt that shamelessly corrupt will have the same effect.

I mean, it seems to be working for MAGA so far

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by Spooky23 »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #3

Weird contradiction in the article - it warns us not to complacently write off those who appear shameless… but also: > any major politician sticking to a pre-2016 playbook today is almost certainly not going to win.

Politics was in this weird stasis. The shameless showman broke the script where some evolution of 1960s Kennedy v. Nixon was displaced by whatever you call this era.

Vice President Quayle was mocked endlessly for spelling the word potato incorrectly. Now we have a dude who can barely string a sentence together.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by rogerkirkness »

eszed wrote: post #16
rogerkirkness wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to unsee metamodern in movies once you see it. I did a 'self aware waldo' monologue in high school drama class, didn't realize it was meta modern.

Can you give me an example or two?

A lot of modern movies are metamodern. The example on the Wikipedia is Bo Burnham's INSIDE, which is very metamodern. But I'd argue most movies are at least somewhat at this point self aware, fourth wall breaking commentary. Top Gun is an example of a modern movie - not metamodern, where there is diversity but it's not at all self aware, fourth wall breaking or commentary.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by Spooky23 »

borroka wrote: post #11

The article is way off base. Dorsey's playbook, if it even exists, isn't something to be ashamed of, especially in the context of Silicon Valley culture. Has the author never heard of Burning Man (obviously, she has and might have been more than once)? Zuck and Dorsey are two of the most common archetypes among tech company founders: the super nerd who only thinks about technology, and then money, and power, and the…

This stuff is an art. Andrew Cuomo was this weird sex symbol for awhile. Eventually people got sick of him, and the media people just pile on.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by borroka »

etothepii wrote: post #18
borroka wrote: post #11

The article is way off base. Dorsey's playbook, if it even exists, isn't something to be ashamed of, especially in the context of Silicon Valley culture. Has the author never heard of Burning Man (obviously, she has and might have been more than once)? Zuck and Dorsey are two of the most common archetypes among tech company founders: the super nerd who only thinks about technology, and then money, and power, and the…

Would another way of saying this be that while high expectation it's also high variance?

In the context of high-status individuals, the reactive shameless strategy (so what?) has recently proven successful.

It is more difficult to determine whether a shameless proactive strategy, such as Trump's (harshly criticizing others' physical appearance, openly bullying less powerful peers) would work for others. It has proven to be unexpectedly successful for him. However, it is consistent with his personality. A similar strategy might not work for Macron, given the stark gap between his traditionally presidential demeanor and a Trump-like shameless political and personal strategy.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by bze12 »

eszed wrote: post #16
rogerkirkness wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to unsee metamodern in movies once you see it. I did a 'self aware waldo' monologue in high school drama class, didn't realize it was meta modern.

Can you give me an example or two?

This video gives a good overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xEi8qg266g

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by thr0w »

Unaccounted for: the failure scenario.

You had integrity, put in the work, and failed. Life is brutal - anyone can respect your effort.

You tried to be the next Paris, and failed. You look like a fucking clown.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by aanet »

This is perhaps the best articulation on the rise of certain cantankerous people... in social media / politics /

The metaphor of the game is a good one for general understanding (though the Signaling / Counters-signaling paper is a TIL for me)

I was hoping that there would be a "solution" of sorts to tackle / handle this issue of when EVERYBODY seems to use this strategy, but perhaps there isn't one...?

(My own way of dealing with this is to, uh, not read / watch any news / social media... but such ways are quite brittle, of course)

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