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April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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Man. I wish the computer did the laundry and let me do the coding. What happened here?

It's called washing machines. They come with a computer built-in.

Mine still makes me figure out what's in the machine and fold it after, am I due for an upgrade?

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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It probably could though. Or at least to the extent that declarative languages ever really work for real world problems. But iif you perfected it then it would also be the thing that actually kills software development. Because if I told you your whole job is now writing tests, you’d find another job.

Not that long ago that was a literal job for some software engineers. Whole departments of them.

I love a quality QA engineer.

But the only people who write code as bad as QA folks do are the DevOps people.

The paradox of SDETs is: QA makes less than dev, no matter what flavor. If you're good at poking holes in developer logic, and you can code yourself, there's a 40-60% raise for you if you can switch into security consulting, which takes the same foundational skills and some reading.

So there are at least two brain drains for "good coder in test", and we aren't even the most lucrative one.

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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The best part of April Fools jokes are that they capture the spirit of the time.

I remember the Thinkgeek PC EZ-Bake Oven that fit into a 5.25" bay in your PC - fitting for 2004! https://hoaxes.org/af_database/permalink/pc_ez-bake_oven

And my favourite: Microsoft's Alpine Legend for Xbox 360 in 2009 that caused a stir because so many people actually wanted that game to be real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUBQknWUEYU

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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The best part of April Fools jokes are that they capture the spirit of the time. I remember the Thinkgeek PC EZ-Bake Oven that fit into a 5.25" bay in your PC - fitting for 2004! https://hoaxes.org/af_database/permalink/pc_ez-bake_oven And my favourite: Microsoft's Alpine Legend for Xbox 360 in 2009 that caused a stir because so many people actually wanted that game to be real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUBQknW…

Well, in 1957, BBC Panorama aired a 3min segment how Swiss farmers harvest spaghetti from trees.

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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To put things into perspective: DeepMind was founded in 2010, bought by goog in 2014, the year of this "prank". 11 years later and ... here we are. Also, a look at how our expectations / goalposts are moving. In 2010, one of the first "presentations" given at Deepmind by Hassabis, had a few slides on AGI (from the movie/documentary "The Thinking Game"): Quote from Shane Legg: "Our mission was to build an AGI - an art…

I don't think what we have now fits that definition. LLMs are still narrowly good at language generation, and the "many" things it's good at are things that have canonical textual / linguistic representations (code, chess notation, etc.). Much of existing AI that appears more general is hooking up more specific models together; for example, taking the output of an LLM and piping it into a TTS . Since these pieces are easily replaceable I struggle to call it one AI that can do many tasks.

Consider that LLM->TTS example's human equivalent: when you're talking, you naturally emphasize certain words, and part of that is knowing not just what you want to say but why you want to say it. If you had a machine learning model where the speech module had insight into why the language model picked the words it has, and also vision so it knows who it's talking to to pick the right tone, and also the motor system had access to that too for gesturing, etc. then at that point you'd have a single AI that was indeed generally solving a large variety of tasks. We have a little bit of that for some domains but as it stands most of what we have are lots of specific models that we've got talking to each other and falling a little short of human level when the interface between them is incomplete.

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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We're beyond that, now we can vibecode both the tests and the implementation.

It's always been possible to vibe code, it's just really fast now! I've done slipshod work full of bugs and security problems and thrown it over the fence hoping it will stand up long enough to be someone else's problems like 20 years ago!

There used to be near-universal derision for people who'd copy-paste a patchwork of code from StackOverflow, but now its almost fashionable to let an AI do it for you.

Re: April Fools 2014: The *Real* Test Driven Development (2014)

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This nowadays sounds more like a product announcement than a joke.

Coding tests (if done correctly) is basically defining the behaviour of a black box API using running code. So it is easy to imagine an AI generating the black box from the tests/behaviour spec.

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