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> given up on enforcing laws and in effect have decriminalized crime
This is projection by the administration.
Trump pardoned 237 people on his first day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executi...
Trump Just Militarized the Capital – What Comes Next?
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What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low? Do you feel that things in big cities are so bad that an overreach of powers is justified in an attempt to fix it?
People in this thread are focusing on change in crime instead of the total rate of crime. The bottom line is that total crime in Washington DC is one of the highest among states and cities and is a clear outlier.
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Military occupation as a solution to a crime problem that either doesn't exist (if you believe the statistics) or is unknown and unknowable (if you don't) seems like a very bad thing. Advocating for military occupation under these circumstances seems like you've got some other motivation than tough on crime.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low? Do you feel that things in big cities are so bad that an overreach of powers is justified in an attempt to fix it?
People in this thread are focusing on change in crime instead of the total rate of crime. The bottom line is that total crime in Washington DC is one of the highest among states and cities and is a clear outlier.
So you think it's justified?
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Do you think that crime is "on the rise"?
thats relative, it would be more enlightening to look at who is commiting what types of crime at what rate, then you would have useful information rather than a stark single metric of crime count. i.e. type and freq of crime cross with income and/or occupation.
The question wasn't asked to extract enlightenment. This person in particular does not trust statistics, so the question is aimed at understanding the edges of their lack of trust through Socratic-questioning. Like, I fundamentally disagree with everything they're saying and suggesting, but they're absolutely right that "crime statistics" are garbage and uncollected[1]. But their belief is so confident that crime in DC is so rampant that they feel that it's okay to send the national guard. That confidence comes from somewhere, so I'm trying to ink it out.
[1] https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/08/15/see-if-police-...
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Let me ask a different question. Do you think violent crime is on the rise?
Do you think violent crime is on the rise? Nobody knows the real answer to this. Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes. The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases.
> Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes.
Do you have evidence for this? Literally your prior sentence says no one knows, but now you're making a concrete claim that not only is violent crime on the rise, but that we're releasing criminals shortly thereafter.
Citation needed.
All crime statistics I've seen indicate that violent crime has been on a steady decline for decades. If you have a credible source with data that refutes this, then by all means, please provide a link to it.
> The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases.
This doesn't really mean anything. It is no surprise that the perception of peril is at an all time high, given reporting on violent crime has dramatically increased over time, especially on right-leaning media. When there isn't anything sufficiently terrifying to report, stuff gets made up (e.g., immigrants eating pets).
A fearful audience is more engaged, but perhaps more importantly, a fearful public is easier to manipulate.
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Do you think that crime is "on the rise"?
I think that crime is not recognized or tracked in some cities. This is a problem in the USA. Canada is not having these issues in big cities as they have zero tolerance for violent crime.
Gun control is the main reason we have less violent crime in Canada. There is still violent crime here though, it's not a safe wonderland.
There is often impunity given to certain people for serious but nonviolent crime like identity theft and selling schedule 1 narcotics (the most illegal kind of drug in Canada). They simply keep what they steal or the profit and are allowed to carry on even if there is clear proof in possession by law enforcement. I don't think an authoritarian response is really what we need but it does make a mockery of the criminal system when this is the policy. And the damage is real, with the victims left to just put the pieces back together on their own.
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People in this thread are focusing on change in crime instead of the total rate of crime. The bottom line is that total crime in Washington DC is one of the highest among states and cities and is a clear outlier.
So you think it's justified?
I don't think I would use the word justified. I would say as someone that's lived in a high crime area that I'm in support of trying to reduce crime rates in areas with high crime rates. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to reduce the crime. Trump lives in DC. He works and his employees work in the DC area. They want to take action to reduce crime.
I spent some of my life watching people on TV demanding to defund the police and all the other nonsense while they lived in low crime areas and didn't have to suffer from the policies they are promulgating on poor people. I wish trump would do this where I used to live to be honest.
That being said, I would like to mention a basic theory that I have. If you're poor, you're often forced to buy the cheapest options in terms of housing or used cars, etc. When a neighborhood improves and is "cleaned up", property values and rents rise. Suddenly the neighborhood you live in is becomes unaffordable for poor people.
Essentially, there is an economic trap: affordability often comes bundled with low quality, and improving quality often erases affordability when talking about things like used goods or housing. It's not necessarily clear that poor people are the recipient of the benefits of lower crime in inner cities, because without high crime rates, inner cities are prime top tier real estate.
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Agreed, I can't wait. It's this or they should install facial recognition cameras with social credit scores. Either way, something needs to happen. Not an exaggeration, I witness some physical escalation 3 out of 5 days a week between Union Square and Midtown NYC on my daily commute. 10 minutes ago a delivery guy and a pedestrian got into it when the bicyclist ran the red light and went into the cross walk while a sw…
> Agreed, I can't wait. It's this or they should install facial recognition cameras with social credit scores. Either way, something needs to happen.
Have you ever lived in a country or state with such utopia as you desire?
What if the party you didn’t vote for has control over your social score ?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low? Do you feel that things in big cities are so bad that an overreach of powers is justified in an attempt to fix it?
What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low? I do not believe crime is accurately tracked [1]. Calling in the guard is not overreach when a city is demanding it through inaction. [1] - https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander...
Supposedly. He was accused by the police union, who are known to lie for political reasons. Where is the evidence?