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So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Sorry to burst bubbles, but I've been in a few: The new cars really do drive better. Smoother shifts, better engines, effective climate control, better seats, just more comfy, more driveable, more responsive, even feel better. This isn't like vintage pens I'm afraid, where old meant high quality materials. Old cars are mostly just crappy (barring a very small set of outliers). I think it boils down to the fact that c…

I don’t think people are buying vintage cars for the ride quality. The owners I’ve seen with them see it as a passion. Much like the McLaren F1 has a cult following, yet no traction control or turbo.

So great that you picked one of those rare outliers. There's nothing quite like the McLaren F1, not then, not now.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Why would you buy a classic without the ability to restore and maintain it yourself? Ive restored a couple and I cannot imagine the cost of outsourcing all that work.

Yeah but was your work concours grade?

I typically do frame off restorations back to factor using authentic parts wherever possible.

Im definitely slower, and I do outsource the paint and any particularly dusty bodywork.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think people are buying vintage cars for the ride quality. The owners I’ve seen with them see it as a passion. Much like the McLaren F1 has a cult following, yet no traction control or turbo.

So great that you picked one of those rare outliers. There's nothing quite like the McLaren F1, not then, not now.

How about an older Porsche or Mercedes? I stand by my original statement.

I had a friend who collected and restored very old BMWs. He certainly wasn’t doing it for the ride quality or features vs a modern car. I just picked the F1, because it’s a shining example of a car people love that is impractical compared to modern cars of equivalent specs.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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> “Younger kids do not have the same work ethic,” says RM’s Morreau. The immediate satisfaction normalized by cell phones and social media is antithetical to the know-how required for fabricating, say, the burled walnut dashboard of a pre-war Rolls-Royce.

Oooooor, the pay is crap and the work environment is abusive.

Any time someone trots out the "kids don't have the same work ethic" argument, they can immediately be ignored. People have been literally saying that continuously since people have been around to write the complaint down, and it's been exactly as true then as it is now.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Sorry to burst bubbles, but I've been in a few: The new cars really do drive better. Smoother shifts, better engines, effective climate control, better seats, just more comfy, more driveable, more responsive, even feel better. This isn't like vintage pens I'm afraid, where old meant high quality materials. Old cars are mostly just crappy (barring a very small set of outliers). I think it boils down to the fact that c…

In general, I agree. However, many older cars were small, light, simple, and raw - characteristics that have largely disappeared from modern cars. Automatic transmissions from the mid-90s and earlier generally sucked, though good old manual transmissions are not much different from good modern ones.

As an example, I owned a W126 S class from the late 80s, and it was fun in its unique way and no modern cars replicate its experience. It had somewhat heavy and very feedback rich steering feel, and Porsche-like firm and tactile pedal feel, while having a super supple ride over the most awful roads with SUV-like ground clearance and tremendous suspension travel. The car was also super simple and reliable; my 300SE had nearly 400k km with all original powertrain when I sold it, it never let me down, and it weighed less than a modern A class or CLA. While not as safe as modern cars, it was exceptionally safe for its era and comparable to normal cars of the early 2000s for crash structure safety.

The W140 (I used to own one too) had a much better powertrain, but it lost the raw tactile scrappy nature of its predecessor, and nor could it handle super awful potholed roads as well as the W126. There are no modern cars that combine the rich raw tactile control feel and super supple ride the W126 had.

Look at cars like the BMW E30, or Mercedes-Benz 190E (W201), or the superbly engineered workhorses that the W123 and W124 were. There are no modern cars that replicate the genuinely delightful driving experience of those.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Sorry to burst bubbles, but I've been in a few: The new cars really do drive better. Smoother shifts, better engines, effective climate control, better seats, just more comfy, more driveable, more responsive, even feel better. This isn't like vintage pens I'm afraid, where old meant high quality materials. Old cars are mostly just crappy (barring a very small set of outliers). I think it boils down to the fact that c…

Mid 90s acura transmissions were great for me. Shifts really solid and stiff. Stiff clutch with clear engagement point. I drove 2015ish era manual transmissions too (nissan and vw) and they were jokes in comparison. Gear shifter felt like a toy, like it was plastic or something even though I know it couldn't be. Clutch was way too light with engagement point not as crisp and a lot lower in the pedal travel too. Worst of all you couldn't feel the rpm of the engine at all in your hands or feet like in the 20 year older acura.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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My parents bought an old Renault and kept another one with the idea of restoring them. Never happened.

But... I know someone else who did actually restore one of those.

And... I worked with a guy who restored a Porsche including rebuilding the engine, it used to sit in his office! (he was a mechanical engineer) and another guy (another engineer) who restored some old American car (forget the brand, maybe a Ford Crown Victoria?). Both these engineers had access to a fully equipped workshop and spent looong hours every day after work building and fixing parts.

I used to do some work on my own car and motorcycles. It's hard work.

There are a lot of enthusiasts who do this... I see them in old car shows. Not sure how many hire others to work on them...

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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Sorry to burst bubbles, but I've been in a few: The new cars really do drive better. Smoother shifts, better engines, effective climate control, better seats, just more comfy, more driveable, more responsive, even feel better. This isn't like vintage pens I'm afraid, where old meant high quality materials. Old cars are mostly just crappy (barring a very small set of outliers). I think it boils down to the fact that c…

In general, I agree. However, many older cars were small, light, simple, and raw - characteristics that have largely disappeared from modern cars. Automatic transmissions from the mid-90s and earlier generally sucked, though good old manual transmissions are not much different from good modern ones. As an example, I owned a W126 S class from the late 80s, and it was fun in its unique way and no modern cars replicate…

Oh yes, preach the gospel of the W126. I had a 1986 300SD for a while, and I’d own one again in a heartbeat. I’ve never felt safer, or cooler, driving a car. You had a gasser, which I bet was faster than mine, but the sound of that diesel spinning up the turbo was something else.

I agree about the W123 as well. I’ve owned half a dozen of those. For a couple generations there it seemed that Mercedes had cars just about solved.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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There's a great car restoration business near us. The sole proprietor is in his late 70s and refuses to take on any apprentice. Says he refuses to train his competition. Sad that all those years of experience and skill will go to waste.

“Go to waste” is such a weird way to think about a 5 decade career.

For most of human history, refusing to pass down your skills to the next generation was seen as a profound moral failure. A waste is putting it lightly and emblematic of the individualism of the times.

Re: So You Bought a Fancy Vintage Car. Now Who's Going to Restore It?

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I've just about got my 1981 Mini I bought in highschool for $600 NZD back in one piece. Wasn't going to touch the engine originally but thought why not, so almost 20 years later with almost everything aside from the shell refurbed or replaced here we are. It's been expensive and slow and I'd have been better off now having put the money into a house deposit instead. But now I know a fair amount about rebuilding a 45…

Have you documented the rebuild process? It would be cool to see if you have a write up when it’s done. You might post it here. I think restoration and repair projects by HN users are great to see here when we get them.
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