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AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Their defense seems to be that AI requires crime to exist, so they should be allowed to do crime. This is not a defense permitted in any body of law. They're going to need to work on that.

AI training on copyrighted materials for scientific reasons is borderline legal. Scientific progress is generally considered a decent reason to skirt around copyright issues. AI can exist in a legal sense (assuming nobody torrents content, thereby spreading the content rather than just pirating it).

The problem with AI industry is that they took the scientific exception intended for the betterment of mankind and then tried to turn that into a profit model. Many if their base models are borderline legal, but using those for making money requires some kind of regulation or deal.

I expect this to get resolved by having mandatory AI royalty fees that are added to every AI subscription, to be handed out to the creative industry. It's how my country and a few others responded when tape made it possible to record songs from the radio. It'll satisfy the huge companies (because they'll be paid more the more works they have) and spit in the face of smaller creatives or mere hobbyists.

It'll cost a couple of billion to grease the wheels, but if these companies work the same way the cryptocurrency industry paid off the Trump campaign, it won't be a difficult problem to solve.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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OK but all the software code the AI companies write is also IP so they're probably not going to make the argument that all of their stuff should be fair game too.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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Aviation rules are legal fiction. It has no basis in nature nor reality. If it did, we would have had a multi-millennia history of flying.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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Can't you say that about anything, though? And why would having a multi-mellenia history have anything to do with it?

Do people really own land? Or is it just a legal fiction to make things easier?

Is a contract really a thing? Or is it a legal fiction?

Times change. IP is a thing now. It's kinda funny to see somebody on a software developer forum arguing IP doesn't exist.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

Every author should have the right to have their work remembered and immortalized by AI. We should have the right to influence how AI thinks by publishing our content. AI should remember our names, and the stories of how our work was produced, so it can remember who we are and how we helped it. This is how AI democracy works. The people trying to financially ruin the AI industry by demanding unreasonable amounts of m…

> Every author should have the right to have their work remembered and immortalized by AI.

Equally, every author should also have the right to not have their work ingested by AI.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Copyright is a deal society has made to advance the arts and sciences. We get more innovative media of all kinds, and in exchange, we pay for the government's policing of the right to copy. I'm not AI optimist or booster, but AI is an advancement in the arts and sciences, despite all the risks and downsides. AI is a derivative work from all digitized media. There's an argument to be made that the AI companies should…

This is a gross over implication. I honestly don't know where to start.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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IP exists in your head. You have knowledge that no one else has and it is your property.

IP law recognizes this ground truth and creates a legal framework that allows IP to be traded in the economy which creates an incentive for people to share their IP.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

It's a valid question of if the rights were actually infringed here. Nothing stops you from reading books and then writing based on what you learned. Just because this is done at scale doesn't mean the output is violating the copyright.
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