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Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Re: Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Post by whazor »

yohannparis wrote: post #12

Or maybe... FastMail created JMAP, ergo they are the one with the best implementation. Now Apple is working on moving iCloud to JMAP, and are working with FastMail as a JMAP production level service within mail.app.

There were some changes last week to the JMAP Email Delivery Push Notifications[1], so that could be related.

[1] https://github.com/jmapio/jmap/commit/1335683f8b542c71bc41a4...

Re: Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Post by admdly »

fluidcruft wrote: post #11
tyleo wrote: post #2

I feel like this is low on details. I despise social media comments as HN submissions. What actually happened here?

Yeah I looked at the link and first reaction is there are no receipts and failure to produce receipts registers with me as adequately explained as a "skill issue" (via some sort of corollary to Hanlon's razor). My outrage meter is unmoved.

There isn’t a skill issue at play here - it’s that Apple have closed the previously unofficial route others have been using (including MXRoute), which has brought the issue to a head. There’s some discussion on the Apple developer forums - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/778671.

Re: Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Post by admdly »

jervant wrote: post #26
1over137 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No updates in 6 year. Do you know if it still works?

Yes, though you still need to renew the certificate through OS X Server.

Which, unfortunately, is now impossible as they’ve removed the endpoint that was used for this.

Re: Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Post by fluidcruft »

admdly wrote: post #22
fluidcruft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I looked at the link and first reaction is there are no receipts and failure to produce receipts registers with me as adequately explained as a "skill issue" (via some sort of corollary to Hanlon's razor). My outrage meter is unmoved.

There isn’t a skill issue at play here - it’s that Apple have closed the previously unofficial route others have been using (including MXRoute), which has brought the issue to a head. There’s some discussion on the Apple developer forums - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/778671 .

That linked topic says Apple is working with the developer to handle it. I don't see any evidence of favoritism.

Fastmail clearly reached out to Apple eons ago, which is evidence of skill on fastmail's part and not favortism on Apple's part. Admittedly, fastmail very likely has lots of contacts in Apple (Jeremy Howard isn't nobody), but that's also a skill issue.

Re: Apple's Favoritism to Fastmail

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Post by admdly »

fluidcruft wrote: post #28
admdly wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t a skill issue at play here - it’s that Apple have closed the previously unofficial route others have been using (including MXRoute), which has brought the issue to a head. There’s some discussion on the Apple developer forums - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/778671 .

That linked topic says Apple is working with the developer to handle it. I don't see any evidence of favoritism. Fastmail clearly reached out to Apple eons ago, which is evidence of skill on fastmail's part and not favortism on Apple's part. Admittedly, fastmail very likely has lots of contacts in Apple (Jeremy Howard isn't nobody), but that's also a skill issue.

Of the many email hosts out there, only a handful receiving special treatment with no route for others to even request the same is special treatment. In the case of Fastmail, they’ve had this access since 2015.

It’s also very interesting that Apple reached out to the user in the developer forum thread after they raised it as an EU DMA issue.

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