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Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by SquareWheel » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:36 AM UTC

cgs1019 wrote: post #19

anovikov wrote: post #6

I can say precisely which lens was used to make that photo: Canon EF 17-40 L USM on a DSLR. Or some other very, very similar lens. No photographer can mistake this for anything. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/meonoctis/5661946485/in/set-721...

Wait...why can you say (very, very precisely) that lens (or similar) was the one used? Because of this other picture? I see no resemblance... Would you mind elaborating? I have no idea what you are implying or why.

The shine on the lights appear very similar, to me. But I am no professional

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by tribeofone » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:37 AM UTC

ivanbernat wrote: post #5

Why so much hate on Nokia?

This stinks of Microsoft. Only one of their ad agencies could put together such a soulless dramatization of a couple's date night.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by Monotoko » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:38 AM UTC

LaRakel wrote: post #12

ivanbernat wrote: post #5

Why so much hate on Nokia?

Because clearly, they lie about what their products can do.

People have done that since the dawn of radio adverts and billboards...

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by anovikov » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:39 AM UTC

cgs1019 wrote: post #19

anovikov wrote: post #6

I can say precisely which lens was used to make that photo: Canon EF 17-40 L USM on a DSLR. Or some other very, very similar lens. No photographer can mistake this for anything. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/meonoctis/5661946485/in/set-721...

Wait...why can you say (very, very precisely) that lens (or similar) was the one used? Because of this other picture? I see no resemblance... Would you mind elaborating? I have no idea what you are implying or why.

I just mean it is a lens with a very similar optical schema than the Canon 17-40L. The diffraction pattern around light sources is very similar. I played around with this lens some time before with my previous DSLR (now i am a Nikon user) and enjoyed it really. I don't mean it was exactly that lens, but something very close - definitely not fixed f/2.0 cheap lens of a smartphone, that kind of halo with 'rays' around light sources is possible only with a lens having many internal components which will be too thick to fit into a smartphone, and not f/2.0, and of course too expensive for a smartphone.

So i fully agree with the article saying it was a fake.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by coob » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:41 AM UTC

jonah wrote: post #11

"Professional driver on closed course." "Screen image is simulated." "Product enlarged to show detail." etc. etc. Yes, yes, we like "truth" and all. Especially when they're selling a camera after all, but getting a great cameraphone image and getting an image that will work on tv are two different things. No real surprise. Maybe disappointment, but no suprise.

Except there's no implying or warning, just outright lying about this being a sample image.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:42 AM UTC

kleiba wrote: post #4

No way... Fake pictures in ads? Who would have thought!

It's not just a picture IN ad, it's also picture OF what's advertised, and that, at least in some parts of the world, is required by law to be real.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:43 AM UTC

Monotoko wrote: post #23

LaRakel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because clearly, they lie about what their products can do.

People have done that since the dawn of radio adverts and billboards...

Which doesn't mean it shouldn't be penalized.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by digitalengineer » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:50 AM UTC

There's only one way out of this for Nokia. They need to release new photo's and video's created with the new Nokia Wndows 8 Phone right the f* now. With as much EXIF and/or metadata as possible. If I was Nokia I'd hire the best photographer-artist the world knows and make a big splash about it.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by yread » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 8:51 AM UTC

digitalengineer wrote: post #28

There's only one way out of this for Nokia. They need to release new photo's and video's created with the new Nokia Wndows 8 Phone right the f * now. With as much EXIF and/or metadata as possible. If I was Nokia I'd hire the best photographer-artist the world knows and make a big splash about it.

Maybe they are planning to do just that. How else would they miss the truck reflection - isn't that way too obvious?

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by goblin89 » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 9:00 AM UTC

kleiba wrote: post #4

No way... Fake pictures in ads? Who would have thought!

I've heard[0] that ‘big’ camera makes like Canon or Nikon regularly advertise their products using photos made with completely different equipment. It would be more surprising if Nokia used actual photos made with Lumia in promotion materials, I guess.

[0] http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm: “For those of us in the press (Ken), we laughed when we looked at the EXIF data of Nikon's PR photos of the D3. They were shot in a studio, so of course Nikon had them shot with an appropriate camera: a $30,000 Phase One P45 back.” Anecdotal evidence, but I'm unable to find another source, so take it with a grain of salt.