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Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by tiahura »

rickdeckard wrote: post #20
PKop wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no evidence the CEO was personally responsible What are you talking about? He was CEO for 12 years coinciding with when this occurred. Of course the CEO is responsible for these types of decisions if simply that he didn't stop it. from February 2015 to April 2021, Cadence and its indirectly owned and wholly controlled subsidiary in the PRC, Cadence Design Systems Management (Shanghai) Co. Ltd. (Cadence Chi…

> "He didn't know this was happening" is kindergarten type excuse making. Quite a strawman argument as no-one in this thread stated that. The case was closed, so it also doesn't make sense to speculate whether he was personally aware of this or not, e.g. the verdict also describes this: According to Cadence’s admissions and court documents, employees of Cadence China did not disclose to and/or concealed from other Ca…

You dismiss the criticism of the "he didn't know" defense, and then proceed to try to prove he didn't know. Lack of institutional control is not a defense for apex personnel.

Further, your assumption that the president isn't privy to additional details is a big one.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by tester756 »

etempleton wrote: post #11

The hits keep coming for Intel. They can’t catch a break. The board should have never fired Pat Gelsinger. He had the right plan. It was always going to be a painful turnaround and they just had no stomach for it.

It feels like he overinvested in fabs.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by bobthebuilders »

taylodl wrote: post #18
PKop wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would he be happy the CEO responsible for the illegal sales to China is now CEO of intel? Why are you ok with it?

What part of "justice has been served" do you not understand? The Justice Department had every opportunity to impose employment restrictions as part of the plea deal involving Cadence Design Systems. They chose not to. The case is closed. If they wanted more, they should have rejected the plea deal - but they didn’t. Now, what Donny Dictator is demanding is called double jeopardy - trying to punish someone again for…

It may not be illegal for someone to have close ties with the Chinese, but we should also not let them control one of the most important companies for the US military and industrial advantage over our rivals.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by taylodl »

bobthebuilders wrote: post #23
taylodl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "justice has been served" do you not understand? The Justice Department had every opportunity to impose employment restrictions as part of the plea deal involving Cadence Design Systems. They chose not to. The case is closed. If they wanted more, they should have rejected the plea deal - but they didn’t. Now, what Donny Dictator is demanding is called double jeopardy - trying to punish someone again for…

It may not be illegal for someone to have close ties with the Chinese, but we should also not let them control one of the most important companies for the US military and industrial advantage over our rivals.

> but we should also not let them

America is supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of political purges. If we start punishing people based on vague suspicions or geopolitical anxieties rather than actual legal violations, we’re not defending democracy - we’re imitating the very authoritarian regimes we claim to oppose.

Intel’s CEO isn’t accused of espionage or sabotage. The Justice Department accepted a plea bargain. Case closed. If that’s not good enough for you, maybe your problem isn’t with Intel, it’s with the Constitution.

We don’t preserve our military and industrial advantage by abandoning due process. We preserve it by investing in strategic capabilities - like Intel’s foundry expansion - and by upholding the rule of law even when it’s inconvenient.

If you want to beat authoritarianism, don’t become it.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by bediger4000 »

It's good that we in the USA finally found the source of all truth in Trump. I mean, can you imagine the fooforaw that Biden or Obama would have caused? They definitely would have made wrong decisions in this situation. Markets would have responded poorly, the press would be all over it, congress would react aggressively. But now that we've got Trump, we, and all the oligarchs, can stay calm. Congress doesn't lift a finger, the press is calm.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by rickdeckard »

tiahura wrote: post #21
rickdeckard wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "He didn't know this was happening" is kindergarten type excuse making. Quite a strawman argument as no-one in this thread stated that. The case was closed, so it also doesn't make sense to speculate whether he was personally aware of this or not, e.g. the verdict also describes this: According to Cadence’s admissions and court documents, employees of Cadence China did not disclose to and/or concealed from other Ca…

You dismiss the criticism of the "he didn't know" defense, and then proceed to try to prove he didn't know. Lack of institutional control is not a defense for apex personnel. Further, your assumption that the president isn't privy to additional details is a big one.

I'm not dismissing it, I'm literally stating that it "doesn't make sense to speculate whether he was personally aware of this or not", citing that same document you cited which points in the opposite direction as quotes you shared.

Re: Trump calls on Intel CEO to resign

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Post by rijoja »

taylodl wrote: post #18
PKop wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would he be happy the CEO responsible for the illegal sales to China is now CEO of intel? Why are you ok with it?

What part of "justice has been served" do you not understand? The Justice Department had every opportunity to impose employment restrictions as part of the plea deal involving Cadence Design Systems. They chose not to. The case is closed. If they wanted more, they should have rejected the plea deal - but they didn’t. Now, what Donny Dictator is demanding is called double jeopardy - trying to punish someone again for…

Surely you are still allowed to raise criticism about a CEO even though the Justice Department closed one case?
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