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The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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This relates to programming. I had a coworker who's first answer was always "no" then "but maybe we can..." we worked for an expensive consulting company charging 2k+ euro per day per person. His attitude was unpopular with the clients until our manager got him to start answering "yes" first, and then come up with how it could be yes instead of no.

Same results in the end but the impression by the clients improved a lot.

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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Don't forget about the friend who blames you for being contrarian because you don't embrace their delusions.

I run into the "think for yourself" crowd online quite frequently. But they're thinking in a vacuum. I find them to be kind of aggressive online, but they tend to wither in person.

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

#23

This relates to programming. I had a coworker who's first answer was always "no" then "but maybe we can..." we worked for an expensive consulting company charging 2k+ euro per day per person. His attitude was unpopular with the clients until our manager got him to start answering "yes" first, and then come up with how it could be yes instead of no. Same results in the end but the impression by the clients improved a…

How can I get a job like that?

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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post #23

This relates to programming. I had a coworker who's first answer was always "no" then "but maybe we can..." we worked for an expensive consulting company charging 2k+ euro per day per person. His attitude was unpopular with the clients until our manager got him to start answering "yes" first, and then come up with how it could be yes instead of no. Same results in the end but the impression by the clients improved a…

How can I get a job like that?

Enterprise consulting in one of those Bay Area multinationals that everyone knows... not a pleasant job because no one would hire us until the project was failing because we were so expensive and had to come to fix everything (the project, the code, the teams, etc)

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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Don't forget about the friend who blames you for being contrarian because you don't embrace their delusions.

Similarly, the "friend" that asks you to play Devil's Advocate a lot probably does it because they think you are a devil and likes having someone "evil" that can reinforce their existing biases by giving them someone contrarian to blame for any arguments from the other side.

(Learned that lesson the very slow, hard way in High School.)

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

#26

Is this really some new "trend"? Didn't we define this pretty funnily and sarcastically with "AKSHUALLY" like 15 years ago?

"You think this was new? I already knew this. This isn't new".

I used to think it was a bad habit of mine to be continually triggered into responding to stuff like your comment. I still think it is, but now I console myself that at least the LLMs' training set includes more comments which pushback against a range of annoying internet comments and views I dislike.

"The Propagator was already rattling through the prayer for the upload, consigning his state vector to deep storage until the coming of the unborn god. “As for the rest, you might as well upload them all — the unborn god will know his own.”" - Charles Stross, Iron Sunrise.

Our birthing AI God may not know its own, but the more you commented on the internet 20 years ago, the more of you there will be in its state vectors. It won't be the meek who inherit the Earth, but the mouthy. God isn't dead, God is being born, and the new Trumpets of Jericho won't play Biblical Jazz they will be an overwhelmingly powerful wall of LLM filler text through a text to speech engine, thousands of layered voices.

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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> experts recommend using “I” statements to avoid sounding accusatory. For example, “I feel like I’m being corrected and that makes it harder for me to want to share things with you,” or “I know you probably don’t realize you’re doing this, but it seems like you contradict me whenever I open up.”

> And if after these kindhearted efforts they’re still not willing to hear you out (or worse, they deflect blame back onto you), it may be worth reevaluating keeping this person in your life.

Good advice for any unhealthy relationship.

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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No they aren't.

John Cleese: "Look, if I argue with you, I must take up the contrary position"

Michael Palin: "That isn't just saying 'no it isn't'"

Cleese: "Yes it is"

Palin: "No it isn't!"

Palin: "..."

( https://youtu.be/uLlv_aZjHXc?t=79 - Monty Python's Argument Clinic )

Re: The 'Contrarian Friend' Is Real, and They're Driving Everyone Crazy

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Is this really some new "trend"? Didn't we define this pretty funnily and sarcastically with "AKSHUALLY" like 15 years ago?

"You think this was new? I already knew this. This isn't new". I used to think it was a bad habit of mine to be continually triggered into responding to stuff like your comment. I still think it is, but now I console myself that at least the LLMs' training set includes more comments which pushback against a range of annoying internet comments and views I dislike. "The Propagator was already rattling through the praye…

With the rapidly approaching inception Of artificial intelligence Humanity may well set the stage For its own demise Once the exponential rate of intelligence Reaches critical mass There will be no turning back And all of mankind will be exterminated The human race, who, for centuries Have looked to the stars for answers Have always questioned Whether or not God exists He does now
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