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Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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>Slop Generator Using that term through the article makes it hard to take seriously. I know nothing of this project but right off the bat it seems like a project that has little credibility just because of the tone used throughout. There's no need to turn it into a full-on tirade against this set of technologies either. Is this an appropriate place to complain about Reddit comments? Ironically, the author could well…

Here's some context into what they mean by "AI slop"

https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-s...

Reading the first two vulnerability reports makes it very clear.

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#22

>Slop Generator Using that term through the article makes it hard to take seriously. I know nothing of this project but right off the bat it seems like a project that has little credibility just because of the tone used throughout. There's no need to turn it into a full-on tirade against this set of technologies either. Is this an appropriate place to complain about Reddit comments? Ironically, the author could well…

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So what happens when AI slop is nicer looking, and more robust than human slop?

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#23

>Slop Generator Using that term through the article makes it hard to take seriously. I know nothing of this project but right off the bat it seems like a project that has little credibility just because of the tone used throughout. There's no need to turn it into a full-on tirade against this set of technologies either. Is this an appropriate place to complain about Reddit comments? Ironically, the author could well…

Interesting that you could have posted about any of the points being made in the link but you choose this one. Personally I think the term is well deserved and am glad it continues to be popularised.

To be clear I don't mind it as a casual term, I'm simply saying that, to me, it comes off as puerile in this context. It's akin to putting out a press release for a project with "Suckerberg" written everytime Meta comes up, or for an older reference, Micro$oft. It personally made the article hard to take seriously, and cast a bad first impression on the project. It may not come across that way to all - I've simply never been a fan of that highly editorialized and charged communication style when it comes to community management. It almost has a combative tone, sort of like when CMs argue with users that have opinions they don't like. Take it or leave it.

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As for the individual points:

The initial concerns about copyright are convincing.

The point about resource impact ending with "these resources would literally be better spent anywhere else" devolved into meaningless grandstanding. I wouldn't mind seeing a project take a stand because of environmental impact, but again it just ends up sounding like the author has a bone to pick rather than a genuine concern about the environment. If that's not the case, then that's a prime example of why tone matters in communication.

The Reddit comment paragraph where the author berates users for using LLMs on social media is just odd and out of place. Maybe better suited to the off-topic section of their community forum/discord.

And the last point I simply disagree with. Highly knowledgeable people in a field that requires precision use LLMs every day. It's a tool like any other. I use it in financial trading (ex: it's great for scanning reams of SEC filings and earnings report transcripts), I know others who use it successfully in trading, and I know firms like Jane Street have it deeply integrated in their process.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. Second, that page is obviously meant to shed light at AI issues from a lot of different viewpoints, it would have been a serious omission to not mention environmental concerns.

>First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. This is massively overstated. We ought to be more careful in performing such calculations.

To quote [1]:

> Alex de Vries is a Ph.D. candidate at VU Amsterdam and founder of the digital-sustainability blog Digiconomist. In a report published earlier this month in Joule, de Vries has analyzed trends in AI energy use. He predicted that current AI technology could be on track to annually consume as much electricity as the entire country of Ireland (29.3 terawatt-hours per year).

That's a lot of power, and the availability of electricity is already seen as a bottleneck in the development of AI models [2].

[1] https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-energy-consumption

[2] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#25
This is very hard to take seriously, it feels ideologically driven.

The introduction where they claim LLMs are useless for software engineering is just incorrect. They are useful for many software engineering tasks. I do think that vibe coding is rubbish however, and more junior SWEs very regularly misuse LLMs to produce nonsense code.

The only substantive point is that the LLM may regurgitate pieces of proprietary training data; although it seems unlikely that it would be incorporated wholesale into the codebase in such as way it matters or opens them up to liability.

I do question if LLMs would even be useful for such a niche project -- but I think this should be left up to developers to figure out how it complements their workflows rather then ruling out all uses of LLMs.

EDIT: I want to point out that I think the Asahi Linux project is a jewel of engineering and is extremely impressive.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

#26

>Slop Generator Using that term through the article makes it hard to take seriously. I know nothing of this project but right off the bat it seems like a project that has little credibility just because of the tone used throughout. There's no need to turn it into a full-on tirade against this set of technologies either. Is this an appropriate place to complain about Reddit comments? Ironically, the author could well…

Here's some context into what they mean by "AI slop" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-s... Reading the first two vulnerability reports makes it very clear.

Except they don't mean "specific examples of AI content are slop". They unambiguously say that all uses of generative AI are slop.

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#27

I am by no means an AI/ML evangelist, but these types of posts just come off as something written by modern day luddites.

Luddites in what sense? Because there's the lazy, gross stereotype that's been perpetuated with negative connotation and the movement that was not at face anti-technology, but against how that technology was used to suppress labor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

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#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know nothing of this project It's an impressive one, to say the least. It's worth taking a closer look and weighing the excellence created by the human mind before completely dismissing the article's arguments. > Ironically, the author could well benefit from running this slop through an llm to make it more professional. True, that would effectively strip out all the heart and soul from the prose.

It would read so much nicer with a dozen em dashes and a bunch of “not only _, but _” constructions.

It's not a high bar that the author failed to cross, correct.

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#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First of all, it isn't wrong. The power consumption of AI training and inference is massive. This is massively overstated. We ought to be more careful in performing such calculations.

To quote [1]: > Alex de Vries is a Ph.D. candidate at VU Amsterdam and founder of the digital-sustainability blog Digiconomist. In a report published earlier this month in Joule, de Vries has analyzed trends in AI energy use. He predicted that current AI technology could be on track to annually consume as much electricity as the entire country of Ireland (29.3 terawatt-hours per year). That's a lot of power, and the…

Not to mention that the amuont of energy compared to the debatable benifits is...worrying.
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