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Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by dotancohen »

morninglight wrote: post #18
healsdata wrote: post #6

Isn't nitrates what makes processed meats so unhealthy? Does this mean the bacon that claims to be cured with celery juice is actually on to something?

Yes, this creates real confusion. Does this mean that you can eat a dozen hotdogs if you wash them down with a glass of beetroot juice? If you are still not confused read this: "Although prevalent in the diet, nitrates have been viewed negatively because they chemically form carcinogenic nitrosamines in acidic environments, e.g. stomach, purportedly leading to gastric cancer as well as neoplasia of the intestine, bra…

  > Does this mean that you can eat a dozen hotdogs if you wash them down with a glass of beetroot juice?
No. Beeting your meat is not the solution to that particular problem.

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Post by Quarrel »

edwardbernays wrote: post #15
papercrane wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lead pipes theory is mostly just pop-science. Romans were likely getting more lead exposure from using lead cooking vessels and utensils.

So is the idea that widespread lead exposure led to the decline of the Roman empire largely pop science? Are you saying that's not accurate, or that the source of the lead exposure is miscounted?

Yes, that is the modern understanding. Widespread lead exposure had very little / nothing to do with the decline the Roman Empire.

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Post by giantg2 »

nradov wrote: post #5

That's interesting. I had always assumed that the effect was due to vasodilation but perhaps not.

It is. The article is about how the beet juice affects the microbiome in a way that increases the conversion of nitrate to vasodialating nitric oxide.

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Post by cowmoo728 »

mariusor wrote: post #23

I think this is also one of the latest "marginal gains" advantages the cycling pro peloton is making use of. After races you can see them all chug a 150-200ml bottle of beetroot juice as a recovery drink while making the afferent faces. :D

beetroot juice was a few years ago and it's for a different purpose - nitric oxide to relax smooth muscle in the airways. the red recovery drink at recent events is tart cherry juice, which is thought to aid in muscle recovery.

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Post by giantg2 »

hotpotat wrote: post #12

If you have trouble in bed, ask yourself if you use Listerine. It kills your mouth’s microbiome and lowers your Nitric Oxide production [0]. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31709856/

And get sun exposure since your body will synthesize it.

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Post by giantg2 »

christophilus wrote: post #9
djtango wrote: post #4

I can't remember where (maybe here) that you shouldn't use mouthwash after working out because of the effects on your oral microbiome. That fact shocked me just like this article does because it was unintuitive that your oral microbiome could have such an impact on your physiology. The effect may actually be a similar one because nitrates do sound familiar...

You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

There are situations where mouthwashes are beneficial, such as with injuries... Just not the stuff you buy at the store. The best mouthwash for those situations is just warm salty water.

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Post by MengerSponge »

giantg2 wrote: post #19
bognition wrote: post #3

Back in school I was often told the lead pipes in Roman aqueducts likely played a key role in the fall of Roman. We know lead is a poison with negative long term effects on cognition. The aqueducts were also responsible for Romes ability to proliferate and grow. Lead was both a blessing and a curse. I wonder what future generations will say about our highly enriched and processed diets. Calories have never been cheap…

"Back in school I was often told the lead pipes in Roman aqueducts likely played a key role in the fall of Roman. We know lead is a poison with negative long term effects on cognition." I highly doubt there was much effect from the pipes. They would quickly be sealed in mineral scale. Cups or utensils - maybe, but would be more about specific important people using them rather than being widespread.

Wine (and grape juice) was cooked in lead vessels, which generates Lead(II) Acetate aka Sugar of Lead. They lead poisoned themselves coming and going.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate

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Post by MengerSponge »

didgeoridoo wrote: post #17
papercrane wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lead pipes theory is mostly just pop-science. Romans were likely getting more lead exposure from using lead cooking vessels and utensils.

Plus literally “flavoring” their wine on purpose with lead acetate.

And that was the first and last time that no-calorie sweeteners had deleterious population-level effects
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