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Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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Back in the days when things were sane my first thought reading this headline would have been: Nice, that‘s sounds official and important. Nowadays my first thought is: Wait, does this mean Trump can mess around with this?

I’m still excited about it.

I hope that all of the world libraries join with the internet archive into a global cooperative.

I also hope there is a secret sub-basement in a different dimension that contains powerful artifacts, guarded by a master librarian.

A man can dream can’t he?

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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I'm having trouble finding what this means. Does IA now have new obligations, or gets new information, or something else, or all of the above?

The submission says:

> These records account for “millions and millions of pages” that can take up entire floors of public libraries, Kahle said. San Diego’s public library gave up its federal depository status in 2020 because its government documents took up so much space and often went unused. [...] The GPO [...] has ramped up efforts to digitize the Federal Depository Library Program.

Does IA now have to store floors upon floors of paper copies of information, at least until it got digitized? Or are they now merely obliged to host the digital materials insofar as they already exist? That sounds like what they are doing already for the whole web, and also apparently since 2022 when they started "Democracy’s Library, a free online compendium of government research and publications", just that now they're legally obliged to do this or something?

What I find on doi.gov[1] is "The mission of Federal depository libraries is to provide local, free access to information from the Federal government" and nothing really further on what this concretely means. Sounds like just an obligation though?

What I find on gpo.gov[2] is "The Federal Depository Library Program [ensures] that the American public has access to Government information in depository libraries". Could mean anything. The program ensures that, but let's assume that means the designated libraries ensure that, so then do these libraries get extra info that the public doesn't get (but in order to disseminate them to the public)? Makes no sense either

The GPO page and the submission also say that "Members of Congress may designate up to two qualified libraries." Did they get picked and now it's IA's obligation, or did IA ask for this? What do they get out of it?

[1] https://www.doi.gov/library/collections/federal-documents

[2] https://www.gpo.gov/how-to-work-with-us/agency/services-for-...

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine having to delete their 100PB of warez.

Wait til you hear about my local library. You can walk in and read or borrow any book without paying!

Wait until you hear about my private library that resides on a Synology NAS. I can access it from anywhere in the world, on any device, and it's filled with whatever books I can bother to decide that I want that title. I have about 20,000 (not counting periodicals) all carefully curated and retail quality. I even got rid of those annoying generic Bantam Press covers and replaced them with the high-res stuff off the publisher's site.

Not sure what the appeal of the public library is, when you can have your own.

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #22

I'm having trouble finding what this means. Does IA now have new obligations, or gets new information, or something else, or all of the above? The submission says: > These records account for “millions and millions of pages” that can take up entire floors of public libraries, Kahle said. San Diego’s public library gave up its federal depository status in 2020 because its government documents took up so much space and…

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Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #9

Is it likely that the Executive Branch would try to exert control over it to remove "inconvenient" data?

They already remove “inconvenient” webpages on the Wayback Machine if someone asks nicely enough. If I remember correctly, if you use it to save a software company’s documentation pages or evidence of something embarrassing like a potential data breach, they could remove it if the company asks. I think Oracle might have done something like this before.

If anyone reading knows an easy way to download and mirror IA pages please make it easier to find. A bot told me they offer downloads of the underlying WARC files but I could not find it

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already remove “inconvenient” webpages on the Wayback Machine if someone asks nicely enough. If I remember correctly, if you use it to save a software company’s documentation pages or evidence of something embarrassing like a potential data breach, they could remove it if the company asks. I think Oracle might have done something like this before.

If anyone reading knows an easy way to download and mirror IA pages please make it easier to find. A bot told me they offer downloads of the underlying WARC files but I could not find it

There are utilities to help, waybackpack comes to mind, but I haven't looked in a while. https://github.com/jsvine/waybackpack

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #24
post #22

I'm having trouble finding what this means. Does IA now have new obligations, or gets new information, or something else, or all of the above? The submission says: > These records account for “millions and millions of pages” that can take up entire floors of public libraries, Kahle said. San Diego’s public library gave up its federal depository status in 2020 because its government documents took up so much space and…

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I quoted from there, so yes

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #16
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Archive just removed access, but kept the content. I know that from a user perspective that is a distinction without a difference, but for posterity it matters. Does anyone have any facts/citations on if this is a myth/coping mechanism I created, or reality?

“2023 The Internet Archive, a non-profit research library, makes use of internal processes and tools, including human review and hash-matching, as well as reports from external parties to identify, disable access to, and limit the reappearance of illegal and/or proscribed violent extremist material on archive.org” https://help.archive.org/help/tco-transparency-reports/

I wonder how many gems like this https://archive.org/details/youtube-moXX8lbnmHs that could have been saved have been lost. (Obviously this one is saved, for now.)

This is not to disparage the tremendous work done and being done by the IA, it's more of me lamenting the trend of our society and societies to mentally babysit people lest their mind gets exposed to something bad, with the implicit assumption that adult humans can't be trusted to see some stupid bs and react with "that was some stupid bs. I am moving it into the stupid bs bucket of things I know about".

Re: Internet Archive is now a federal depository library

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post #9

Is it likely that the Executive Branch would try to exert control over it to remove "inconvenient" data?

They already remove “inconvenient” webpages on the Wayback Machine if someone asks nicely enough. If I remember correctly, if you use it to save a software company’s documentation pages or evidence of something embarrassing like a potential data breach, they could remove it if the company asks. I think Oracle might have done something like this before.

A community-maintained list collecting examples of such exclusions: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/List_of_websites_excl...
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