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Post by kstrauser » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 6:06 PM UTC

yodon wrote: post #19

raywatcher wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Profit alone isn’t the motivation. Unlike polluting rivers, our goal isn’t to externalize costs onto society or the environment. We see a real problem: B2B teams waste massive time and budgets chasing unqualified leads, spamming prospects, and burning through acquisition dollars. By delivering truly high‑precision demand intelligence, we help businesses focus only on the buyers who actually want to talk, cutting down…

One day you'll look back on how this technology is being used for actual real evil, and have to deal with the fact that your early naivety about the "value" you were bringing helped get us to that point.

Naïveté, and, IMO, a necessary deliberate desire to look the other way.

“Hey, I’d love to see the ahem ‘qualified leads’ looking at this crisis pregnancy center website, or at the Border Patrol website, or at the IRS tax deduction FAQ website.”

It’s so incredibly easy to imagine the ways this will be abused.

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Post by bugsMarathon88 » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

raywatcher wrote: post #9

kstrauser wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas. And so is dumping waste into rivers, but I hope people will continue to tell the people doing it that they’re wrong for doing so.

Profit alone isn’t the motivation. Unlike polluting rivers, our goal isn’t to externalize costs onto society or the environment. We see a real problem: B2B teams waste massive time and budgets chasing unqualified leads, spamming prospects, and burning through acquisition dollars. By delivering truly high‑precision demand intelligence, we help businesses focus only on the buyers who actually want to talk, cutting down…

I don't think anyone is questioning the value for business. Marketing precision and accuracy come at a cost. That cost is the degradation of privacy; and by secondary order effect: human freedom, dignity and autonomy. That the resulting byproduct of this phenomenon is increased efficiency is irrelevant and uninteresting to the principal discussion.

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Post by fn-mote » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

xyzal wrote: post #12

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While I am not a fan of privacy-invading work, the ship sailed with Facebook/Meta a long time ago.

At least this is a little company, and the work they are doing is being directly sold to others.

I’m confident Meta (and other large AdTech companies) have more time and effort invested, but it’s not available to your company directly, only whatever the giants want to sell to you.

So at least as long as they are a small business, I’m guardedly supportive.

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Post by kstrauser » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 6:21 PM UTC

fn-mote wrote: post #23

xyzal wrote: post #12

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While I am not a fan of privacy-invading work, the ship sailed with Facebook/Meta a long time ago. At least this is a little company, and the work they are doing is being directly sold to others. I’m confident Meta (and other large AdTech companies) have more time and effort invested, but it’s not available to your company directly, only whatever the giants want to sell to you. So at least as long as they are a small…

I’m supportive, in that whatever Firefox and Safari devs do to frustrate this small business will also make it harder for Meta et al to do the same.

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Post by rsync » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 7:02 PM UTC

raywatcher wrote: post #9

kstrauser wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas. And so is dumping waste into rivers, but I hope people will continue to tell the people doing it that they’re wrong for doing so.

Profit alone isn’t the motivation. Unlike polluting rivers, our goal isn’t to externalize costs onto society or the environment. We see a real problem: B2B teams waste massive time and budgets chasing unqualified leads, spamming prospects, and burning through acquisition dollars. By delivering truly high‑precision demand intelligence, we help businesses focus only on the buyers who actually want to talk, cutting down…

So, basically:

“Call-for-pricing”-as-a-service.

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Post by raywatcher » Thu, Jul 24, 2025, 7:26 PM UTC

WillQuinn wrote: post #13

This seems like an interesting approach and automating visitor qualification is definitely useful. But quick question though, once you drop in that “single line” of code, how soon can a team expect to see their first qualified leads?

You’ll see results as soon as your first visitors arrive. Our agent evaluates every unique visitor, researches and qualifies B2B prospects based on your custom criteria, and starts showing you qualified leads in real time.