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AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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I'd like to brag that I got in trouble for saying this to somebody in 2021, before ChatGPT

I put a chapter of a paper I wrote in 2016 into GPTZero and got the probability breakdown 90% AI, 10% human. I am 100% human, and I wrote it myself, so I guess I'm lucky that I didn't hand it in this year, or I could have gotten accused of cheating?

I wasn't being serious when I said it, I was using it as an insult for bad work

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Your argument would've been much better without injecting ca. 2025 US culture war jargon into it.

Sorry, what jargon is that? I may be able to fix it with your help. I'm not in the USA and don't follow US politics or culture enough to be up to 2025 in jargon.

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This is just like the way some people decided that "Blue Check" should be an insult on Twitter. Occasionally people still say it but almost everyone ignores it. Fads like this are common on the Internet. It's just like any other clique of people: a few people accidentally taste-make as a bunch of replicators simply repeat mindless things over and over again "slop" "mask-off moment" "enshittification" "ghoulish". Just…

Sounds like something a blue checker would say. And yes, if you pay for Twitter you’re going to clowned on.

And what the hell is that segue into fedoras? The entire meme of them is because stereotypical clueless individually took fedoras to be the pinnacle of fashion, while disregarding nearly everything else about not only their outfit, but about their bodies.

This entire comment reeks of not actually understanding anything.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#24

This paper presents an elaborate straw-man argument. It does not faithfully represent the legitimate concerns of reasonable people about the persistent and irresponsible application of AI in knowledge work. Generative AI produces work that is voluminous and difficult to check. It presents such challenges to people who apply it that they, in practice, do not adequately validate the output. The users of this technology…

Additionally their use of the term "slur" for what is frequently a valid criticism seems questionable.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#25
I don't think we should as a wider scientific/technical society care for the opinion of a person that uses epistocratic privilege as a a serious term. This stinks to high hell of proving a conclusion by working backwards from it.

The cognitive dissonance to imply that expecting knowledge from a knowledge worker or a knowledge-centered discourse is a form of boundary work or discrimination is extremely destructive to any and all productive work once you consider how most of the sciences and technological systems depend on a very fragile notion of knowledge preservation and incremental improvements on a system that is intentionally pedantic to provide a stable ground for progress. In a lot of fields, replacing this structure with AI is still very much impossible, but explaining how for each example an LLM blurts out is tedious work. I need to sit down and solve a problem the right way, and in the meantime about 20 false solutions can be generated by ChatGPT

If you read the paper, the author even uses terms related to discrimination by immutable characteristics, invokes xenophobia and quotes a black student calling discouragement of AI as a cheating device racist.

This seems to me an utter insanity and should not only be ignored, but actively pushed against on the grounds of anti-intellectualism.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#26

I don't think we should as a wider scientific/technical society care for the opinion of a person that uses epistocratic privilege as a a serious term. This stinks to high hell of proving a conclusion by working backwards from it. The cognitive dissonance to imply that expecting knowledge from a knowledge worker or a knowledge-centered discourse is a form of boundary work or discrimination is extremely destructive to…

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Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument would've been much better without injecting ca. 2025 US culture war jargon into it.

Sorry, what jargon is that? I may be able to fix it with your help. I'm not in the USA and don't follow US politics or culture enough to be up to 2025 in jargon.

"Woke cretin."

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#28

Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…

This latter piece is something I am struggling with.

I have spent 10+ years working on teams that are primarily composed of people whose first language is not English in workplaces where English is the mandated business language. Ever since the earliest LLMs started appearing, the written communication of non-native speakers has become a lot clearer from a grammatical point of view, but also a lot more florid and pretentious than they actually intended to be. This is really annoying to read because you need to mentally decode the LLM-ness of their comments/messages/etc back into normal English, which ends up costing more cognitive overhead than it used to reading their more blunt and/or broken English. But, from their perspective, I also understand that it saves them cognitive effort to just type a vague notion into an LLM and ask for a block of well-formed English.

So, in some way, this fantastic tool for translation is resulting in worse communication than we had before. It's strange and I'm not sure how to solve it. I suppose we could use an LLM on the receiving end to decode the rambling mess the LLM on the sending end produced? This future sucks.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#29

Sarkar argues that “AI shaming arises from a class anxiety induced in middle class knowledge workers, and is a form of boundary work to maintain class solidarity and limit mobility into knowledge work.” I think there is at least some truth to this. Another possible cause of AI shaming is that reading AI writing feels like a waste of time. If the author didn’t bother to write it, why should I bother to read it and pro…

If knowledge work doesn't require knowledge then is it knowledge work?

The main issue that is symptomatic to current AI is that without knowledge (at least at some level) you can't validate the output of AI.

Re: AI could have written this: Birth of a classist slur in knowledge work [pdf]

#30

This is just like the way some people decided that "Blue Check" should be an insult on Twitter. Occasionally people still say it but almost everyone ignores it. Fads like this are common on the Internet. It's just like any other clique of people: a few people accidentally taste-make as a bunch of replicators simply repeat mindless things over and over again "slop" "mask-off moment" "enshittification" "ghoulish". Just…

Sounds like something a blue checker would say. And yes, if you pay for Twitter you’re going to clowned on. And what the hell is that segue into fedoras? The entire meme of them is because stereotypical clueless individually took fedoras to be the pinnacle of fashion, while disregarding nearly everything else about not only their outfit, but about their bodies. This entire comment reeks of not actually understanding…

Found that user who memorized KnowYourMeme and thinks they're a scholar of culture now.

Or a cheap LLM acting as them, and wired up to KnowYourMeme via MCP? Can't tell these days. Hell, we're one weekend side project away from seeing "on the Internet, no one knows you are a dog" become true in a literal sense.

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