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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Considering their volume, I find it hard to believe that Valve couldn't find another, more lenient payment processor with similar fees.

It complicates things to have some games that can be purchased with credit cards and some games that can only be purchased with crypto.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Considering their volume, I find it hard to believe that Valve couldn't find another, more lenient payment processor with similar fees.

Adult content has a high chargeback rate and high fraud rates so payment processing for adult content has higher fees.

People say that a lot but I haven't seen actual statistics, and sites that have established low chargeback rates face the same issues.

Also that's not a reason to ban certain genres/kinks, which is what's happening here.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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What can be done to loosen card companies' grip on this? It has been a constant problem now for decades.

Regulation and anti cartel laws.

Adult business is legitimate business in many parts of the world and companies using their monopoly to suppress it should be a case for an Investigation.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adult content has a high chargeback rate and high fraud rates so payment processing for adult content has higher fees.

Which makes less sense when you consider Steam will refund you game if you dont want it.

I don’t think you understand what’s being said. He’s not talking about the ability to refund

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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It's interesting that Valve sort of put themselves in this situation by opting not to police their store anymore. I'm personally a fan of fewer restrictions on content in video games and fewer "gatekeepers" but it's kind of inevitable that people would get upset when you chose to allow people to sell games like "Sex With Hitler" and "Pimp Life: Sex Simulator". Deciding to allow that content on your store and simultan…

> it's kind of inevitable that people would get upset when you chose to allow people to sell games like "Sex With Hitler" and "Pimp Life: Sex Simulator".

The problem isn't some people being upset, it's that a single digit number of companies effectively control the ability for anyone else in the world to do business with them. Those companies get lobbied as much as politicians but with no accountability and any overreach being far less visible. And no freedom of speech rules.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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What can be done to loosen card companies' grip on this? It has been a constant problem now for decades.

Use ACH/Zelle/Paypal/etc.

The permanent solution is a federal government operated electronic money system operated as a utility with constitutionally protected rights.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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What can be done to loosen card companies' grip on this? It has been a constant problem now for decades.

Likely nothing. The simple fact is, Visa/MC don't want to deal with porn because the number of chargebacks and fraud from porn purchases is significant and a huge outlier compared to most other charges. Their crusade against processing charges for adult material isn't about purity, it's simply business.

Can you link a reliable source for this claim? I personally couldn't find anything with substance.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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For those thinking is only related to chargebacks and fraud, it is not.

VISA and Mastercard have been banning a lot of content that is not porn but has political values that are disapproved by certain billionaires and investors. There is a bunch of links I wanted to post about, such as US billionaires bragging he personally called VISA CEO to ban content on PH or japanese politicians mad at the censorship of japanese art with certain values because of these companies. But I am on phone walking home so if anyone else has such links please post.

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