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Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by nineplay »

"How the American engineering degree, sold as a solid ticket to the American dream, has become less solid for recent graduates trying to find that first job."

As opposed to what? All the other recent graduates with non-engineering degrees who are drowning in job offers? It's tough out here for everyone. This kind of hyperbole doesn't help.

"How the American engineering degree, sold as a solid ticket to the American dream"

It wasn't "sold" as though there were some cigarette smoking ad men behind it. People went after _software_ engineering degrees when they saw a bunch of 20 year olds in Mountain View with 6 figure incomes. The other branches of engineering have always been hit or miss.

And "American Dream" - really? Has anyone used that term unironically since The Great Gatsby came out?

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Post by poulsbohemian »

rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

Given that one must be a citizen to vote, this doesn’t appear to be the right angle through which to call out the Democratic Party. If you were to speak with Democratic Party leadership, I believe the emphasis would be on attractive talent from around the world to keep American businesses competitive. Certainly if there are problems with these visa programs, it’s worthwhile to bring them up to elected officials and push for changes.

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Post by blargthorwars »

bestouff wrote: post #13
rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

Does this mean only foreigners aren't brainwashed enough to mostly vote Republican ?

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Post by [deleted] »

bestouff wrote: post #13
rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

Does this mean only foreigners aren't brainwashed enough to mostly vote Republican ?

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Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by rayiner »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #22
rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

Given that one must be a citizen to vote, this doesn’t appear to be the right angle through which to call out the Democratic Party. If you were to speak with Democratic Party leadership, I believe the emphasis would be on attractive talent from around the world to keep American businesses competitive. Certainly if there are problems with these visa programs, it’s worthwhile to bring them up to elected officials and p…

H1Bs get citizenship, and they raise their children in their home cultures. My parents are citizens and have been voting for decades. But they still think and vote like Bangladeshis.

I’m not saying it’s some written-out plan. But look at how left wing Indians and Indian politicians in the U.S. are compared to say German Americans. (Socialism was a founding principle of the modern Indian state.) People in the party are acting according to their incentives.

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Post by ACCount36 »

azinman2 wrote: post #15

“eliminate the STEM OPT extension” I won’t get into h1b which gets plenty of air time, but this is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone wanting to eliminate OPT. This is beyond idiotic. Foreigners come and get educated in the US; if we didn’t have OPT they’d have to go back to their home country and contribute there. Instead with OPT we give them a chance to integrate into American companies, making the US more comp…

One of the big advantages US has is that it's on the receiving end of brain drain. A lot of the best talent worldwide wants to go to US, learn in the US and work in the US.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

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Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by danesparza »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #29
rayiner wrote: post #3

I’ve been hearing about this for decades. It keeps happening because republicans need their cheap labor and democrats need foreign voters. The people in power have tremendous political incentives to keep the pipeline flowing.

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Look closer, or choose different friends.

This is an extremely reductionist view of what's going on right now.

If you don't see people in both parties working hard to try to shelter, protect and defend these people, you aren't looking hard enough.

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