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Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part. I cannot help but notice that we have the same services just offered by different companies. The amount of innovation in this build is not that high actually.

That's what a healthy competition in the free market looks like. Things like Apple that "stay innovative" for decades are aberration caused by monopolistic gatekeeping.

> Things like Apple are aberration.

This used to be a good example of innovation that is hard to copy. But it doesn't apply anymore for two reasons:

1. Apple went from being an agile, pro-developers, creative company to an Oracle-style old-board milking-cow company; not much innovation is happening at Apple anymore.

2. To their surprise, much of what they call "innovative" is actually pretty easy to replicate on other platforms. It took 4 hours for Flutter folks to re-create Liquid Glass...

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#22

At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part. I cannot help but notice that we have the same services just offered by different companies. The amount of innovation in this build is not that high actually.

It’s basically everywhere the same technology. Maybe a difference in training data and computing power.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#23

At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part. I cannot help but notice that we have the same services just offered by different companies. The amount of innovation in this build is not that high actually.

That's what a healthy competition in the free market looks like. Things like Apple that "stay innovative" for decades are aberration caused by monopolistic gatekeeping.

They often copied others but because Apple is more popular they got the fame for „their“ innovation.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#24
post #3

I’m struggling with MRF. Model Release Fatigue. It’s a syndrome of constantly context switching new large models. Claude 4, gpt, llama, Gemini 2.5, pro-mini, mistrial. I fire off the ide switch the model and think oh great this is better. I switch to something that worked before and man, this sucks now. Context switching llm, Model Release Fatigue

A major reason I haven’t really tried any of these things (despite thinking they are vaguely neat). I think I will wait until… 2026, second half, most likely. At least I’ll check if we have local models and hardware that can run them nicely, by then. Hats off to the folks who have decided to deal with the nascent versions though.

I have a modified tiered approach, that I adopted without consciously thinking hard about it.

I use AI mostly for problems on my fringes. Things like manipulating some Excel table somebody sent me with invoice data from one of our suppliers and some moderately complex question that they (pure business) don't know how to handle, where simple formulas would not be sufficient and I would have to start learning Power Query. I can tell the AI exactly what I want in human language and don't have to learn a system that I only use because people here use it to fill holes not yet served by "real" software (databases, automated EDI data exchange, and code that automates the business processes). It works great, and it saves me hours on fringe tasks that people outsource to me, but that I too don't really want to deal with too much.

For example, I also don't check various vendors and models against one another. I still stick to whatever the default is from the first vendor I signed up with, and so far it worked well enough. If I were to spend time checking vendors and models, the knowledge would be outdated far too quickly for my taste.

On the other hand, I don't use it for my core tasks yet. Too much movement in this space, I would have to invest many hours in how to integrate this new stuff when the "old" software approach is more than sufficient, still more reliable, and vastly more economical (once implemented).

Same for coding. I ask AI on the fringes where I don't know enough, but in the core that I'm sufficiently proficient with I wait for a more stable AI world.

I don't solve complex sciency problems, I move business data around. Many suppliers, many customers, different countries, various EDI formats, everybody has slightly different data and naming and procedures. For example, I have to deal with one vendor wanting some share of pre-payment early in the year, which I have to apply to thousands of invoices over the year and track when we have to pay a number of hundreds or thousands of invoices all with different payment conditions and timings. If I were to ask the AI I would have to be so super specific I may as well write the code.

But I love AI on the not-yet-automated edges. I'm starting to show others how they can ask some AI, and many are surprised how easy it is - when you have thee right task and know exactly hat you have and what you want. My last colleague-convert was someone already past retirement age (still working on the business side). I think this is a good time to gradually teach regular employees some small use cases to get them interested, rather than some big top-down approach that mostly creates more work and many people then rightly question what the point is.

About politically-touched questions like whether I should rather use an EU-made AI like the one this topic is about, or use one from the already much of the software-world dominating US vendor, I don't care at this point, because I'm not yet creating any significant dependencies. I am glad to see it happening though (as an EU country citizen).

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#25

At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part. I cannot help but notice that we have the same services just offered by different companies. The amount of innovation in this build is not that high actually.

> At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part

Well, OpenAI copied the Deep Research feature from Google. They even used the same name (as does Mistral).

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#26
post #3

I’m struggling with MRF. Model Release Fatigue. It’s a syndrome of constantly context switching new large models. Claude 4, gpt, llama, Gemini 2.5, pro-mini, mistrial. I fire off the ide switch the model and think oh great this is better. I switch to something that worked before and man, this sucks now. Context switching llm, Model Release Fatigue

A major reason I haven’t really tried any of these things (despite thinking they are vaguely neat). I think I will wait until… 2026, second half, most likely. At least I’ll check if we have local models and hardware that can run them nicely, by then. Hats off to the folks who have decided to deal with the nascent versions though.

Depending on the definition of "nicely", FWIW I currently run Ollama sever [1] + Qwen Coder models [2] with decent success compared to the big hosted models. Granted, I don't utilize most "agentic" features and still mostly use chat-based interactions.

The server is basically just my Windows gaming PC, and the client is my editor on a macOS laptop.

Most of this effort is so that I can prepare for the arrival of that mythical second half of 2026!

[1] https://github.com/ollama/ollama/blob/main/docs/faq.md#how-d...

[2] https://huggingface.co/collections/Qwen/qwen25-coder-66eaa22...

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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post #16

The Voxtral release seemed interesting, because it brought back competitive open source audio transcription. I wonder if it was necessary to have an LLM backbone (vs a pure-function model) though, but the approach is interesting.

> brought back competitive open source audio transcription

Bear in mind that there are a lot of very strong _open_ STT models that Mistral's press-release didn't bother to compare to, making impression they are the best new open thing since Whisper. Here is an open benchmark: https://huggingface.co/spaces/hf-audio/open_asr_leaderboard . The strongest model Mistral compared to is Scribe, ranked 10 here.

This benchmark is for English, but many of those models are multilingual (eg https://huggingface.co/nvidia/canary-1b-flash )

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#28
post #3

I’m struggling with MRF. Model Release Fatigue. It’s a syndrome of constantly context switching new large models. Claude 4, gpt, llama, Gemini 2.5, pro-mini, mistrial. I fire off the ide switch the model and think oh great this is better. I switch to something that worked before and man, this sucks now. Context switching llm, Model Release Fatigue

Not to invalidate your feelings of fatigue, but I’m sure glad that there are a lot of choices in the marketplace, and that they are innovating at a decent clip. If you’re committed to always be using the best of all options you’re in for a wild ride, but it beats stagnation and monopoly.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#29
I think they've buried the lede with their image editing capabilities, which seem to be very good! OpenAI's model will change the whole image while editing messing up details in unrelated areas. This seems to perfectly preserve parts of the image unrelated to your query and selectively apply the edits, which is very impressive! The only downside is the output resolution (the resulting image is 1184px wide even though the input image was much larger).

For a quick test I've uploaded a photo of my home office and asked the following prompt: "Retouch this photo to fix the gray panels at the bottom that are slightly ripped, make them look brand new"

Input image (rescaled): https://i.imgur.com/t0WCKAu.jpeg

Output image: https://i.imgur.com/xb99lmC.png

I think it did a fantastic job. The output image quality is ever so slightly worse than the original but that's something they'll improve with time I'm sure.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

#30
post #3

I’m struggling with MRF. Model Release Fatigue. It’s a syndrome of constantly context switching new large models. Claude 4, gpt, llama, Gemini 2.5, pro-mini, mistrial. I fire off the ide switch the model and think oh great this is better. I switch to something that worked before and man, this sucks now. Context switching llm, Model Release Fatigue

Not to invalidate your feelings of fatigue, but I’m sure glad that there are a lot of choices in the marketplace, and that they are innovating at a decent clip. If you’re committed to always be using the best of all options you’re in for a wild ride, but it beats stagnation and monopoly.

We’re also headed into a world where there will be very few open weight models coming out (Meta going closed source, not releasing Behemoth). This era of constant model releases may be over before it even started. Gratitude definitely needs to be echoed.
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