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Death by a Thousand Slops

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Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by Hendrikto »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #6

Oh god, going through some of the reports listed on the bottom of the page feels like a nightmare. I cannot imagine how it is for the actual maintainers. I wonder what's the solution here. You need to be able to receive reports from anyone, so a reputation based system is not applicable. It also seems like we cannot detect whether a piece of text was generated with LLM..

I would have closed ALL of the linked reports much sooner, and banned the reporters. In most cases it is extremely obvious from very early on in the thread that these people have not the slightest idea what they are saying and just copy-paste AI responses.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by amiga386 »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #6

Oh god, going through some of the reports listed on the bottom of the page feels like a nightmare. I cannot imagine how it is for the actual maintainers. I wonder what's the solution here. You need to be able to receive reports from anyone, so a reputation based system is not applicable. It also seems like we cannot detect whether a piece of text was generated with LLM..

> It also seems like we cannot detect whether a piece of text was generated with LLM

Based on reading those same reports, I think you can totally can detect it, and Daniel also thinks that -- or at least, you can tell when it's very obvious and the user has pretty much just pasted what they got from the LLM into the submit box. Sneaky humans, trying to disguise their sources by removing the obvious tells, make it harder.

The curl staff assume good faith and let the submitter explain themselves. Maybe the submitter has a reason for using it -- the submitter may be honest or dishonest as they wish.

I like that the curl staff ask submitters to admit up-front if any AI was used, so they can discriminate between people with a legitimate use case (e.g. people who don't speak English but can find valid exploits and want to use machine translation for their writeup), versus others (e.g. people who think generalised LLMs can do security analysis).

But even so, the central point of this blog post is that the bad humans waste their time, they can't get that time back, and even directly banning them does not have much of an effect on the bad humans, or the next batch of bad humans.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by squigz »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #10

> Maybe we need to drop the monetary reward? That would likely fix some of it, but I suspect that you'd still get a lot, anyway, because people program their crawlers to hit everything , regardless of their relevance. Doesn't cost anything more, so why not? Every little hit adds to the coffers.

> Doesn't cost anything more, so why not? Every little hit adds to the coffers.

Uhh... How does it not cost more to hit everything vs specific areas? Especially when you consider the actual payout rate for such approaches, which cannot possibly be very high - every little hit does not add to the coffers, which means you have to be more selective about what you try.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by silvestrov »

> charging a fee [...] rather hostile way for an Open Source project that aims to be as open and available as possible

The most hostile is Apple where you cannot expect any kind of feedback on bug reports. You are really lucky if you get any kind of feedback from Apple.

Getting good feedback is the most valuable thing ever. I don't mind having to pay $5/year to be make reports if I know I would get feedback.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by DaSHacka »

leovingi wrote: post #17

And it's not just vulnerability reports that are affected by this general trend. I use social media, X specifically, to follow a lot of artists, mostly for inspiration and because I find it fun to share some of the work that other artists have created, but over the past year or so I find that the mental workload it takes for me to figure out if a particular piece of art is AI-generated is too much and I start leaning…

Genuine question; if you cant tell, why does it matter?

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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Post by meindnoch »

friedel wrote: post #18
raywatcher wrote: post #5

For all the discussions about the slopification of the internet, the human toll on open source maintainers isn’t really talked about. It's one thing to get flooded with bad reports; it's another to have to mentally filter AI-generated submissions designed to "sound correct" but offer no real value. Totally agree with the author mentioning the emotional toll it takes to deal with these mind-numbing stupidities.

> but offer no real value They could offer value, but just rarely, at least with the LLM/model/context they used. > toll it takes to deal with these mind-numbing stupidities. Could have a special area for submitting these where AI does the rejection letter and banning.

>They could offer value, but just rarely, at least with the LLM/model/context they used.

Eating human excrement can also offer value in the form of undigested pieces of corn and other seeds. Are you interested?

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