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Re: Kite News

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Post by redserk »

nerdjon wrote: post #12
wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

I get where you are going and I do agree with you, but I think there is some validity to still calling it an echo chamber. For example, I live in Boston and very liberal. I did not grow up in this area though, and I have noticed that among some of my friends that have... they have zero idea what most of this country is actually like. Even just other more moderate liberal people that don't have the "luxury" of living…

I grew up in a rural area and the same phenomenon happens against cities.

The idea that a city is comprised of human beings, just living closer together, really doesn’t compute for some people for some reason.

I think everyone would be better off trying to understand how others live.

Re: Kite News

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Post by incomingpain »

>an endless stream of clickbait that destroys our ability to think deeply and clearly.

Disagreed. News never changed. It was always exactly like this. The Pulitzer award was created because journalists lied and caused an assassination and the spanish war.

The thing that changed is social media is letting everyone fact check the journalists and we're catching them in their lies. We are ushering in a new era of professionalism and truth in journalism and it's not going well at all.

Here in Canada we have a funny one happening right now. Another whistleblower from the CBC was forced to involuntarily resign. Now the CBC is saying they refuse his resignation that he's a slave and must continue working for them. So his lawyer has to bring a human rights lawsuit.

>World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise.

Or at least it shouldnt be this way.

>This multi-source approach helps reveal the full picture beyond any single viewpoint.

Grabbed the RSS, thanks!

Re: Kite News

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Post by smoothbenny »

UX is nice enough but suffers from same curation (center-right leaning, tech industry-directed) that makes anything like this fundamentally pointless in the long term. Designed to keep readers within the acceptable window of mainstream media that manufactures consent for war, genocide, income inequality, and other suffering at home and abroad. For example: this site taught me that there is only one (unnamed) sticking point on the Gaza ceasefire agreement! Gee, I bet it’s really going to happen this time. Also to offer an Israel section at all, let alone without a corresponding Palestine section, is dubious.

Re: Kite News

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Post by ks2048 »

I clicked on a story and at the bottom, it lists "sources" (19 in this case). Following one of these sources (a lesser-known site), there is an article, and at the end it says "REUTERS". So, I guess its source was another source.

Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts.

I think some editorializing is worthwhile to place things in context and to decide what information to put together into a readable article, but things could be more explicit and should always link to the source material.

Re: Kite News

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Post by newsclues »

wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

There are echo chambers on both ends of the political spectrum (and for various subcultures) but it’s obvious they are real if you are in the centre and find yourself politically homeless between two progressively extreme groups who are doing the same shit with different flavours.

Re: Kite News

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Post by imiric »

wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

Echo chambers exist in all communities, and you may be in one whether or not you're aware of it. The only way to step outside of them, if you're at all interested in doing so, is to experience what's happening in other communities.

Sometimes those external viewpoints are extreme, and your instinct might be to ignore them. But I would rather know that they exist and what they are, than to completely isolate myself from them. Isolation only leads to worsening of the effects caused by echo chambers (us vs. them mentality, resentment, hatred, etc.). The antidote is awareness, which eventually could lead to communication, which eventually could lead to acceptance and tolerance, which eventually could lead to Kumbaya and a happier place to live for everyone.

To be honest, I'm nowhere near this acceptance path as I would like to be. But I think it's the only solution to the divisiveness and tribalism that has been part of humanity since the beginning. Part of me is hopeful that we will eventually overcome this nature and learn to coexist peacefully. Tragically, the technology we've built that was meant to bring us together, has only driven us further apart.

Anyway, this is a great initiative by Kagi. 100% spot on about the problems, and the approach seems reasonable. I've been meaning to start consuming news from ground.news as well, which is another attempt at fixing these issues. Best of luck to them both.

Re: Kite News

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Post by Asraelite »

wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

> I understand the point but I wouldn't use the term "echo chamber" anymore.

This doesn't sound it would accomplish much. You're essentially starting a euphemism treadmill. Start calling it a foo, right-wingers will start complaining that everything is a foo.

The solution is learning (and teaching others) that if a term is co-opted by a group who abuse it for their own goals, that doesn't retroactively change the intended meaning when the term is used by other groups in good faith. It's obvious what Kagi meant here, and that's all that should matter.

Re: Kite News

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

ks2048 wrote: post #24

I clicked on a story and at the bottom, it lists "sources" (19 in this case). Following one of these sources (a lesser-known site), there is an article, and at the end it says "REUTERS". So, I guess its source was another source. Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts. I think some editorializing is worthwhile…

Maybe derivative articles could be placed under the source article hierarchically, with some kind of badge on each sub-article indicating percent of significant difference.

Re: Kite News

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Post by [deleted] »

smoothbenny wrote: post #23

UX is nice enough but suffers from same curation (center-right leaning, tech industry-directed) that makes anything like this fundamentally pointless in the long term. Designed to keep readers within the acceptable window of mainstream media that manufactures consent for war, genocide, income inequality, and other suffering at home and abroad. For example: this site taught me that there is only one (unnamed) sticking…

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Re: Kite News

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Post by Havoc »

incomingpain wrote: post #22

>an endless stream of clickbait that destroys our ability to think deeply and clearly. Disagreed. News never changed. It was always exactly like this. The Pulitzer award was created because journalists lied and caused an assassination and the spanish war. The thing that changed is social media is letting everyone fact check the journalists and we're catching them in their lies. We are ushering in a new era of profess…

>News never changed. It was always exactly like this.

I'd say the velocity and reach of it certainly has changed. A world leader tweeting fresh insanity to millions of people every couple hours wasn't a thing during earlier eras.

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