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The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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A real reason to avoid Amazon is fake merchandise. I'd been buying a vitamin supplement from them for years. Then they sent me a notice that it was being recalled as a fake.[1] (Archive [2]) They paid a refund for the last purchase. But that's all. Amazon won't respond to questions about what was in it or who the real seller is. I no longer buy anything from Amazon that could be faked. [1] https://www.amazon.com/ask/…

How do you know what cannot be faked? Is shipped and sold by Amazon enough?

It is, people are being ridiculous. The third party stuff is where the fraud is.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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A real reason to avoid Amazon is fake merchandise. I'd been buying a vitamin supplement from them for years. Then they sent me a notice that it was being recalled as a fake.[1] (Archive [2]) They paid a refund for the last purchase. But that's all. Amazon won't respond to questions about what was in it or who the real seller is. I no longer buy anything from Amazon that could be faked. [1] https://www.amazon.com/ask/…

I know it's not a very popular cause these days, but "Democracy" seems like a real reason too.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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Trains are shaped like penis, bus is shape like penis, skyscraper is shape like penis, rocket is shape like penis, now Amazon logo is shape like penis? Why are all Americans always looking everywhere for shape like penis. Every time. "Hello, American, look at this pencil" "Pencil?! Shaped like penis!" "Hello, American, look at your hands" "Oh my god! That is five penises a hand!" Constantly searching for penis everyw…

I guess people want what they can't have, and Americans are shielded from body parts since birth.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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This honestly may as well have been a paid ad by Amazon. It served as a reminder for me that Prime Day is coming up. That reminder was followed up with several extremely weak arguments that Amazon is the pinnacle of evil. Also felt like it was written largely by AI

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I guess, but Amazon gets me stuff tomorrow or the next day, reliably, week in and week out. Yeah, I could find this stuff elsewhere on the internet. But not for Tuesday delivery. And not without opening another account. Also, right now, often only by paying a tariff-adjacent fee to cover the import costs of the vendors that didn't have the foresight to pre-stock imports like Amazon did. People who want to write stuff…

This is the reality. I have moved anything I don’t need quickly off Amazon as much as reasonably possible, and I do avoid some things from Amazon as well, but for too many things they’re the cheapest and fastest option, or the 2nd cheapest and fastest option. Also if I think there is a reasonably high chance I’ll return an item, I also go through Amazon, because they haven’t once in 20 years I’ve been using them givi…

My take is that Walmart.com comes pretty close. When I was driving through Pennsylvania two weeks back I saw a huge Walmart.com warehouse right next to an Amazon warehouse. The last mile delivery service of the two seems close to identical (though Walmart+ disingenuously offers "free" delivery from my local store that expect you to tip the driver. [1])

Amazon often costs 5 cents less and you might find that all the issues of Bocci the Rock are at Amazon and one is missing from Walmart, but Walmart is taking the fight to them.

For photography stuff in particular, I buy from B&H, Adorama or direct from vendors such as Red River Paper. Often the prices are better than Amazon and the service is much better (e.g. the owner of the later has schooled me on details of papers and printing that most people couldn't imagine)

[1] Not against giving the tip, just against saying I don't like the comparison against free shipping from other vendors.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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I understand hyperbole is a useful rhetorical device, but it's very hard for me to take anyone who uses it seriously or trust anything they say at all. And it really doesn't help develop trust when the citations used to support one's points directly contradicts them (like that bit about Amazon providing real-time surveillance from Ring doorbells to police without owners' knowledge - the one and only thing I decided t…

It’s right there in the second paragraph of the WaPo(!) story that Ring owners opt in and can decline to share data. Does Rekognition perform poorly? Maybe it does, but it’s a best effort service, not a police officer in a box. That AWS was shamed into not selling it to law enforcement doesn’t mean law enforcement won’t have access to facial recognition, only that the vendor they choose isn’t capable of being embarra…

Yes. That made me scratch my head. It also says explicitly that no real-time feeds were available. It appears the program just let police contact owners to request video. Never mind that program was discontinued last year.

I can only assume the author didn't think anyone would read the links they provided.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know what cannot be faked? Is shipped and sold by Amazon enough?

It is, people are being ridiculous. The third party stuff is where the fraud is.

No, that is not correct or at least it has not been. Amazon was said to intermingle the inventory in the warehouses, mixing third party products with those shipped and sold by Amazon. So that gave you zero protection.

I read that they made internal changes to tag shippings properly to reduce the risk of that behaviour, but am not sure it is true or has been effective.

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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Many of the things the author accuses Amazon of doing are troubling, but the logic the author used in the Chris Brown music buying example to tie it all together shows of a lack of distinction between types of cooperation with evil.

When an act has both a potentially good and bad effect Philosophers like to distinguish the morality of this act of "cooperating with evil" by analyzing the degrees to which your cooperation is:

  - formal or material (do you want the bad thing to happen and that's why you're buying from Amazon?)
  - immediate or mediate (are you supplying a critical component such that without your specific instance of cooperation the evil could not occur?)
  - proximate or remote (Do you work for Amazon?)
Each of these dimensions should be taken into consideration because without such analysis one can easily become scrupulous about every act that one does that may have unintended side effects. This is how you get people who say things like "there is no such thing as ethical consumption in capitalism" and other extreme statements that would otherwise force you to be a monk in a desert lest your acts accidentally create harm.

To learn more about this principle of double effect:

https://thinkingthoughtout.com/2021/01/24/cooperation-with-e...

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/double-effect/

Re: The Prime Reasons to Avoid Amazon

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Regardless of what one thinks about Amazon, one's actions have approximately zero effect on it.

Even if one controlled, 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 people and commanded them to not use Amazon, it would have little effect.

If someone opts to stay away from Amazon, they should at least do it with clear eyes: they are doing it to feel something and will not actually affect the company.

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