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Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

mc32 wrote: post #14
masfuerte wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was a senior G-man. He knows the polygraph is bullshit.

True, but you also have former agents who complain that they get fired for things w/o having taken a poly. So, it seems, for some, passing a poly as proof they don’t do something wrong is important.

Why go through the stress and performative dance of a poly when there's zero upside? He admitted to being a friend and (according to the article) that's alone enough to demote and block advancement.

Polys are also subjective. They keep asking the same questions over and over again until there's some indication they can point to and say you're lying. It might be a sneeze, cough, or a deep breath at the wrong time. It's also generally a multi hour to multi day ordeal. I wouldn't bother if I was them.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by techpineapple »

Fogest wrote: post #19
jmye wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did FBI not raid journalists involved in covering the Hunter Biden laptop story and attempt to aid in covering this up? Did they? Why not just assert what you believe, instead of giving it this weird air of deniability? Do you believe that the Hunter Biden “story” is similar or dissimilar to firing political and personal enemies of appointees?

I'd say they are both bad, though I actually view it as worse when going after journalists, especially when it relates to a story surrounding the family of a politician running for president. The FBI also lied to social media companies in order to get them to remove stories about it, despite knowing the story was true: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/testimony-r... And here is the story about the rai…

I really struggle with equivocating these things, because I’m just going to point out, that both of these stories are incredibly one sided, they hurt Democrats and help Republicans. In fact, looking only in retrospect, I would say the hunter biden laptop suppression was more likely to be a false flag, given who it helped and who it hurt.

But how is it that no matter who politicizes anything, it’s always actually one sides fault. And, like you implied, who cares if Republicans succeed in consistently and repetitively politicizing the FBI, because the Democrats may have done it once in a way that royally backfired. Two wrongs make a right.

But I love how Democrats keep getting punished for the one story that has helped Republicans more than any other of the past decade.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by daft_pink »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #5

So…they wanted him to take a polygraph interview regarding the nature of his relationship with Peter Strzok, and he resigned instead, did I understand that correctly?

The Bluesky link on his bio tells you everything you need to know.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by jmye »

kcplate wrote: post #20
jmye wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t take it as “I can’t fathom how this happened” so much as “I don’t know, specifically, if I was being investigated, if he was, or if this was just ancillary capriciousness”. Seems weird to immediately assume he’s stupider than you are.

I didn’t write those words and choose to publish them, he chose to do that. Whether it’s meant as: “Can’t fathom how this happened”, “I don’t know how, specifically”, or “I can’t imagine how they found out”…it’s a totally boneheaded thing to write and publicly publish if you are an FBI agent. We make assessments about people’s capabilities every day based on what they say and do. This is no different.

I think, at some level, one should assume that one’s readers are capable of understanding context and nuance, and that every word won’t be taken literally by the vast majority of readers.

You can be mad at the writer, if it makes you feel better, I guess, but this was pretty clear writing from my point of view.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by drcongo »

jmye wrote: post #25
kcplate wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t write those words and choose to publish them, he chose to do that. Whether it’s meant as: “Can’t fathom how this happened”, “I don’t know how, specifically”, or “I can’t imagine how they found out”…it’s a totally boneheaded thing to write and publicly publish if you are an FBI agent. We make assessments about people’s capabilities every day based on what they say and do. This is no different.

I think, at some level, one should assume that one’s readers are capable of understanding context and nuance, and that every word won’t be taken literally by the vast majority of readers. You can be mad at the writer, if it makes you feel better, I guess, but this was pretty clear writing from my point of view.

I came out of that article impressed with the eloquence of his prose. I'm gobsmacked to learn that someone thinks that's bad writing.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by Fogest »

techpineapple wrote: post #22
Fogest wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say they are both bad, though I actually view it as worse when going after journalists, especially when it relates to a story surrounding the family of a politician running for president. The FBI also lied to social media companies in order to get them to remove stories about it, despite knowing the story was true: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/testimony-r... And here is the story about the rai…

I really struggle with equivocating these things, because I’m just going to point out, that both of these stories are incredibly one sided, they hurt Democrats and help Republicans. In fact, looking only in retrospect, I would say the hunter biden laptop suppression was more likely to be a false flag, given who it helped and who it hurt. But how is it that no matter who politicizes anything, it’s always actually one…

It's not about one side winning over the other. The problem is that the author of this article is attempting to make it sound like the problem only started when Trump got into power. What I am trying to point out is that this has been a problem for a while, and was a tool used recently to try to aid democrats getting into power and to censor speech on social media platforms under the guise of "misinformation" (despite them knowing it was not).

I personally do view governmental control of speech and attacks on journalists to be pretty severe in the grand scheme of things. I don't want either side to be using the FBI for this, but I don't like the authors non-genuine attempt at making it seem like this is a Trump specific problem. They did not speak out about it before, they only had a problem with it when it impacted them.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by kcplate »

drcongo wrote: post #26
jmye wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think, at some level, one should assume that one’s readers are capable of understanding context and nuance, and that every word won’t be taken literally by the vast majority of readers. You can be mad at the writer, if it makes you feel better, I guess, but this was pretty clear writing from my point of view.

I came out of that article impressed with the eloquence of his prose. I'm gobsmacked to learn that someone thinks that's bad writing.

I didn’t say it was bad writing. I am saying that within it he expressed a disbelief at something that given his position, was absurd. Even if it was done for some sort of dramatic effect, it caused me to doubt the sincerity and accuracy of the rest of the article.

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by kcplate »

jmye wrote: post #25
kcplate wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t write those words and choose to publish them, he chose to do that. Whether it’s meant as: “Can’t fathom how this happened”, “I don’t know how, specifically”, or “I can’t imagine how they found out”…it’s a totally boneheaded thing to write and publicly publish if you are an FBI agent. We make assessments about people’s capabilities every day based on what they say and do. This is no different.

I think, at some level, one should assume that one’s readers are capable of understanding context and nuance, and that every word won’t be taken literally by the vast majority of readers. You can be mad at the writer, if it makes you feel better, I guess, but this was pretty clear writing from my point of view.

I’m not mad at the writer, I am indifferent. However, because of that embellishment or “flourish”, I doubt the rest of the situation occurred as described.

If you want people to take your story seriously, why would you disqualify yourself in such a way in the beginning of the article?

Re: Goodbye to All That – My Resignation from the FBI

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Post by efitz »

ctoth wrote: post #16
efitz wrote: post #15

Articles like this are always self serving. We only know details that the author chose to expose and we only have the authors word that those were the only and true reason for the action. I am skeptical that I am hearing a complete and true accounting of the facts and reasons for the action. Note that I am not impugning the author, but everyone is the hero or the victim of their own story, and even if everything said…

What is the reason you wrote your comment? Like, if life were a narrative, who would you be?

Look at the other comments. The trend in the other comments is that the article was accepted as a true and accurate representation of events and that therefore the current FBI administration is corrupt and has politicized the bureau.

That might or might not be true, but the article is almost certainly biased to support that narrative, true or not. I was cautioning that the article not be taken on faith.

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