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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been thinking about moving from SSDs for my NAS to solid state. The drive are so loud, all the time, it’s very annoying.

My first experience with these cheap mini PCs was with a Beelink and it was very positive and makes me question the longevity of the hardware. For a NAS, that’s important to me.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem quickly becomes PCIe lanes. The N100/150/305 only have 9 PCIe 3.0 lanes. 5Gbe is fine, but to go to 10Gbe you need x2. Until there is something in this class with PCIe 4.0, I think we're close to maxing out the IO of these devices.

Not only the lanes, but putting through more than 6 Gbps of IO on multiple PCIe devices on the N150 bogs things down. It's only a little faster than something like a Raspberry Pi, there are a lot of little IO bottlenecks (for high speed, that is, it's great for 2.5 Gbps) if you do anything that hits CPU.

The CPU bottleneck would be resolved by the Pentium Gold 8505, but it still has the same 9 lanes of PCIe 3.0.

I only came across the existence of this CPU a few months ago, it is Nearly the same price class as a N100, but has a full Alder Lake P-Core in addition. It is a shame it seems to only be available in six port routers, then again, that is probably a pretty optimal application for it.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Question regarding these mini pcs: how do you connect them to plain old hard drives ? Is thunderbolt / usb these days reliable enough to run 24/7 without disconnects like an onboard sata?

I've never heard of these disconnects. The OWC ThunderBay works well.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been thinking about moving from SSDs for my NAS to solid state. The drive are so loud, all the time, it’s very annoying. My first experience with these cheap mini PCs was with a Beelink and it was very positive and makes me question the longevity of the hardware. For a NAS, that’s important to me.

HDD -> SSD I assume For me it’s more and random access times

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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i want a NAS i can puf 4tb nvme’s in and a 12tb hdd running backup every night. with ability to shove a 50gbps sfp card in it so i can truly have a detached storage solution.

Yeah that’s what I want too. I don’t necessarily need a mirror of most data, some I do prefer, but that’s small.

I just want a backup (with history) of the data-SSD. The backup can be a single drive + perhaps remote storage

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Question regarding these mini pcs: how do you connect them to plain old hard drives ? Is thunderbolt / usb these days reliable enough to run 24/7 without disconnects like an onboard sata?

The last sata controller (onboard or otherwise) that I had with known data corruption and connection issues is old enough to drive now

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been thinking about moving from SSDs for my NAS to solid state. The drive are so loud, all the time, it’s very annoying. My first experience with these cheap mini PCs was with a Beelink and it was very positive and makes me question the longevity of the hardware. For a NAS, that’s important to me.

I've been using a QNAP TBS-464 [1] for 4 years now with excellent results. I have 4x 4TB NVMe drives and get about 11TB usable after RAID. It gets slightly warm but I have it in my media cabinet with a UPS, Mikrotik router, PoE switches, and ton of other devices. Zero complaints about this setup.

The entire cabinet uses under 1kwh/day, costing me under $40/year here, compared to my previous Synology and home-made NAS which used 300-500w, costing $300+/year. Sure I paid about $1500 in total when I bought the QNAP and the NVMe drives but just the electricity savings made the expense worth it, let alone the performance, features etc.

1. https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/tbs-464

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