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Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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https://archive.is/20250623093918/https://www.ft.com/content... I have doubts the current US administration would let them without some sort of retaliation (e.g. more tariffs)

If your friend goes to an ATM for $20 and their bank fines them with a large percentage fee on their income; are you likely to also choose this bank?

You just discovered the concept of natural monopoly

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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https://archive.is/20250623093918/https://www.ft.com/content... I have doubts the current US administration would let them without some sort of retaliation (e.g. more tariffs)

The US might literally just not give it to them. Germany has been trying to ask for their gold back for a while IIRC and they generally get an explanation that paraphrases to it being a very complex operation to pull off and they should come back next year. The US has enough leverage over Germany that the Nord Stream incident is still an unsolved mystery where everyone just moved on. Probably the Russians did it. Tha…

I thought this has been attributed to pro russian Ukrainians on the far right?

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

Measure its volume by dunking it in a jug of water and compare its weight with its expected weight (depending on the density of gold). There is a famous tale of Archimedes doing exactly this when posed with the problem of determining if a certain crown is made of pure gold.

Apparently there are bars which are tungsten on the inside. Tungsten has a very similar density.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

Density, conductivity, x-ray. Density alone won't rule out bars that are spiked with tungsten.

Maybe also moments of inertia?

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Or a deep sea diving movie

Honest question: does this necessarily require the physical transport of gold?

What else would be meaningful in this context? Are sovereign countries currently restricted in trading gold backed securities when stored abroad? I don't think so.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

Here's a very informative video on this from a 30+ yr COMEX gold trader (the mechanism and cost to do it is discussed from about ~8 mins in): https://themarkethouse.substack.com/p/video-alyosha-with-a-r...

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Honest question: does this necessarily require the physical transport of gold?

Not necessarily. It’s fair to wager that the gold they speak of is gold securities and not literal gold bars because if they try to collect gold bars they’re going to be sad.

Not sure for Italy but I believe in Germany's case it is physical bars
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