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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by brians »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15
CamperBob2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I could be hit by a meteor the next time I step outside, or something that fell off a passing Boeing. The odds are about the same.

The theoretical security people have gone off the deep end. The idiots in charge of browsers have decided the entire internet should break every 47 days in case someone might get a private key to a certificate, even though that's basically never been the source of a security compromise ever. Meanwhile, advertising on the Edge start page and the top of Chrome search is the number one source of practical, working malwa…

Well, yes, but it’s much brighter over here beneath the streetlight.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by [deleted] »

v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

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Re: Windows 10 EOL

#23

Post by Henchman21 »

fibers wrote: post #7
DanAtC wrote: post #3

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2032, thankfully. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...

Microsoft makes me laugh. When I clicked your link to the docs file it looks like M$ added an AI bot attached to the Microsoft Learn platform so I decided to register with my work account. > does Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 have access to WSL2 Sorry, I can’t help with this. Please make a new request or share your feedback. What is the point of adding an LLM to docs if it can't even produce anything correct?

> What is the point of adding an LLM to docs if it can't even produce anything correct?

The point? Raises, acquisition of new headcount, resume food, etc. Huge amounts of change in software seem to be completely unrelated to user needs.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by footlose_3815 »

Not enough has been done to clamp-down on engineered obsolescence. Also, the customer's right to choose a product they already purchased. You get a mix of 3 years, 5 years, 10 years of support on any given OS now. Sometimes buying the hardware right before upgrade time, and having to deal with the crapware they load when they upgrade.

They use legalese now to say you are leasing the software, using with conditions, etc, but they love pulling the rug from under users now, and replacing it with an often-inferior product. This user-hostile mentality has been this way for consumer computers since they were created.

And managing Microsoft's hand of greed at the IT level sucks, too. Don't get me started on how "Microsoft Copilot" magically appeared on every windows machine in the world and starting using CPU cycles.

And the OP is right to install working software on old hardware as a reaction. It's a natural reaction. Ubuntu freed a lot of my old hardware. Gaming still sucks on Linux though.

If we mandated keeping things around a baseline OS a little longer, the need for foreign electronics could reduce in the short-term. Maybe it could offset those dumb tariff we're all paying for a little. Just mandate support for current OSes we have for the next four years at least while we wait for the economic tantrum to leave office.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#25

Post by vondur »

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended support contract to continue using Windows 10, but unless it's for specific equipment that has a PC connected to it we've been told to get rid of them.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by oneZergArmy »

I'd love it if manufacturers would unlock the BIOS of business-grade laptops when Windows 10 ends, but I don't have any hope. Two of my laptops will just.. die, as I can't install Linux on them.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#27

Post by Tostino »

caycep wrote: post #20

someone needs to push Debian desktop or one of the derivatives...maybe a publicity blitz by PopOS or something we replaced most of the machines in our office. There are 2 our finance person didn't want to replace, so we used the install check bypass for Win11, those employees don't really do much on those computers anyway...

I've been on PopOS for a couple years now with no complaints as my only OS on my desktop. Been great honestly.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#28

Post by observationist »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15
CamperBob2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I could be hit by a meteor the next time I step outside, or something that fell off a passing Boeing. The odds are about the same.

The theoretical security people have gone off the deep end. The idiots in charge of browsers have decided the entire internet should break every 47 days in case someone might get a private key to a certificate, even though that's basically never been the source of a security compromise ever. Meanwhile, advertising on the Edge start page and the top of Chrome search is the number one source of practical, working malwa…

It's justification for surveillance and adtech on the software side, and planned obsolescence on the hardware side. There's no disincentive that prioritizes sustainability, (actual) security, or function on the user side. The user is just a net input of data. The money comes from brokers (marketing firms and advertisers indirectly) and advertising buys. The product is the user data. The customers are companies and occasionally individuals acting as middlemen. Devices are increasingly tools to acquire data, with features being driven to the bare minimum a user will accept and still use.

Nobody in tech seems to be serious except for the people driving the adtech and surveillance models. Nothing else makes as much profit, and it financially justifies enshittifying every other aspect of every other piece of hardware or software.

Legislate protections of user data, and start nuking brokers and data collectors from orbit, and everything gets better. Until then, the only space that isn't continually and totally enshittified is open source, and/or markets and products new enough that quality still matters.

Our choices are end adtech, or suffer.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by kwanbix »

vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Windows 10 IoT LTSC is supported till 2032.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by immibis »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15
CamperBob2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I could be hit by a meteor the next time I step outside, or something that fell off a passing Boeing. The odds are about the same.

The theoretical security people have gone off the deep end. The idiots in charge of browsers have decided the entire internet should break every 47 days in case someone might get a private key to a certificate, even though that's basically never been the source of a security compromise ever. Meanwhile, advertising on the Edge start page and the top of Chrome search is the number one source of practical, working malwa…

The world wide web is one particular network. If you decide to copy stuff from the world wide web and use it for your own purposes, and the world wide web changes and your stuff breaks, that's on you.

Does the world wide web still work? If so, the change was fine.

See also the removal of the client certificate bit from Let's Encrypt certificates. Let's Encrypt issues certificates for web servers. What are you doing using one on a client? You should either do your own thing, or have an actual contract with Let's Encrypt for them to support whatever you're doing. Otherwise you have no right to complain about that.

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