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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by woodruffw »

crises-luff-6b wrote: post #18
woodruffw wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's about the numbers at all -- he's seeing whether anybody will stop him from nakedly violating posse comitatus[1]. The President can of course dispatch the military for domestic law enforcement, but to do so he needs to establish a legal exception, like the Insurrection Act. That hasn't happened yet. [1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poss...

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The text is indeed simple, and directly contradicts the President’s authority here:

> Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

To surpass that, the president must declare an insurrection. But he’s done no such thing, since such a claim is nakedly indefensible.

(This justification of course only applies to the national guard. The federal armed forces have even stronger guardrails.)

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by sh34r »

crmd wrote: post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

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Post by smitty1e »

legitster wrote: post #14

Soldiers, especially Marines, are trained to follow orders and kill. They are not specialists in de-escalation or crowd control. Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism. Because if this escalates in any way and the US military turns on Americans, its hard to understate how bad things could get.

https://www.usmcu.edu/Research/Marine-Corps-History-Division...

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

crises-luff-6b wrote: post #17
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #16

Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice. The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Cong…

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> Here's the actual text[1], it's pretty clear.

There's nothing in the text that suggests it is appropriate to preemptively deploy US military in response to protests, not even because the administration deems protestors to be enemies.

Narratives in support of preemptively deploying the military against protesters are all crafted justifications, each built after the act has been decided on.

What's left to for apologists to do is to choose whether to own the methods and intentions or mirror the administration's disingeniousness.

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Post by acdha »

legitster wrote: post #14

Soldiers, especially Marines, are trained to follow orders and kill. They are not specialists in de-escalation or crowd control. Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism. Because if this escalates in any way and the US military turns on Americans, its hard to understate how bad things could get.

I’m not sure that’s true any more. I know a few vets and it was definitely thought-provoking to hear a Marine who’d been in the thick of Fallujah react to some police shooting by noting that they had stricter rules about use of force because the top brass wanted to get the Iraqi people on their side.

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Post by hypeatei »

legitster wrote: post #14

Soldiers, especially Marines, are trained to follow orders and kill. They are not specialists in de-escalation or crowd control. Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism. Because if this escalates in any way and the US military turns on Americans, its hard to understate how bad things could get.

> Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism

They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt at this point. Ask yourself what the MAGA reaction would've been to troops being deployed to their riot at the Capitol.

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Post by tdeck »

sh34r wrote: post #11

I wonder how many civilians will be disappeared before a Dem governor finds their balls and musters the state militia. There’s millions of patriots out there just waiting for the call to action. This nonviolent shit will get you killed. MLK was a gun owner. If that kind of talk worries you, consider how much uglier it will be when the good people of LA form unregulated militias instead. Do you really want to see Ruby…

Newsom is too busy performatively harming homeless people and platforming fascists on his podcast to cook up anything like this.
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