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FSE meets the FBI

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Re: FSE meets the FBI

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FSE {free speech extremists}, why would one have to be an extremist in country where free speech is enshrined in its Constitutional Law.

The courts have held that the rights in the constitution have limits. Generally, anyone operating outside of the limits would be called an extremist when someone disagrees with them.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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post #21

FSE {free speech extremists}, why would one have to be an extremist in country where free speech is enshrined in its Constitutional Law.

The courts have held that the rights in the constitution have limits. Generally, anyone operating outside of the limits would be called an extremist when someone disagrees with them.

To elaborate, in the context of the article, the author is not so much of an extremist that they condone certain illegal speech by pedophiles.

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sorry to be this person, but can anyone TLDR this for me?

tldr from 2nd para of article:

> To summarize, the FBI pays some shady companies to scrape data, the data is scanned for keywords (yep, just like CARNIVORE). Links and content are then fed into Facebook, organized by topic based on the keywords. Some rudimentary analysis is performed (sentiment analysis at least, but as friendly as Microsoft is with the feds, and as LLMs have gotten popular, the influence of machines has probably expanded) and perused by agents, using some FBI internal interface.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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post #5

sorry to be this person, but can anyone TLDR this for me?

tldr from 2nd para of article: > To summarize, the FBI pays some shady companies to scrape data, the data is scanned for keywords (yep, just like CARNIVORE). Links and content are then fed into Facebook, organized by topic based on the keywords. Some rudimentary analysis is performed (sentiment analysis at least, but as friendly as Microsoft is with the feds, and as LLMs have gotten popular, the influence of machines…

That's not the real kicker, though. You at least have to also skip to the end and read the last couple paragraphs.

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FSE {free speech extremists}, why would one have to be an extremist in country where free speech is enshrined in its Constitutional Law.

Aside from the obvious (it is clearly somewhat tongue-in-cheek, especially given the author's sense of humor) the truth is that the U.S. still has some unsettled business regarding what counts as protected speech. The past few decades have seen a lot of debate and legal back-and-forth regarding what to do with lolicon and shotacon illustrations, which FSE also addresses in another linked post[1]. (Not sure if any other remnants of obscenity law still exist: I'm sure they do, they just don't seem to come up very often online.) In any case, it seems like their fediverse server runs on the idea that if it's legally protected speech it should generally be allowed, or at least not disallowed on the basis that it's gross or something like that. Personally, I can get behind the spirit even if I'm not sure I'm in to go along for the ride. I definitely lean in that general direction. (The counter example would be, well, basically every other fediverse instance. They get pretty long on the rules and instance block lists.)

[1]: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/the-loli-question....

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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FSE {free speech extremists}, why would one have to be an extremist in country where free speech is enshrined in its Constitutional Law.

"Extremist" is just a pejorative variant of "radical". I assume they're using it tongue-in-cheek. When it comes to speech, it's really not hard to imagine positions that would have been controversial at any point in the history of the US. That doesn't mean you can't hold them, but others don't need to agree, and that's how you end up with labels of this sort.

Aside from the bit about "frontiers", Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is pretty straightforward:

> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

As is the First Amendment to the US Constitution:

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I can't speak for Pete. However, given that the expressed position of influential portions of the US government (as well as many of my peers and acquaintances) runs counter to the letter and the spirit of Article 19 and the spirit (if not the letter) of the First Amendment, I consider myself to be a free speech extremist.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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I wish it were so, but the real answer is: because the law doesn't care about your technicalities, they care about what people think/feel, in particular what lawyers and judges think. And lawyers and judges feel that there is a difference between DDOSing a thing offline and politicking your way through the legal system to get a thing taken offline.
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