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What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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Someone said, "The AI you use today is the worst AI that you will ever use."

Is the internet today better than it's ever been? I can easily imagine LLMs becoming ad-riden, propagandized, cloudlfare intermediated, enshittified crap the way most of the internet has.

Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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I agree with the substance, but would argue the author fails to "understand how AI works" in an important way: LLMs are impressive probability gadgets that have been fed nearly the entire internet, and produce writing not by thinking but by making statistically informed guesses about which lexical item is likely to follow another Modern chat-tuned LLMs are not simply statistical models trained on web scale datasets.…

This doesn't follow with my understanding of transformers at all. I'm not aware of any human labeling in the training.

What would labeling even do for an LLM? (Not including multimodal)

The whole point of attention is that it uses existing text to determine when tokens are related to other tokens, no?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but should we have psychosis force multipliers?

We have that now, in social media. If you create some way for large numbers of people with the same nutty beliefs to easily communicate, you get a psychosis force multiplier. Before social media, nuttyness tended to be diluted by the general population.

Completely agree with you about social media. I'm not a fan of social media algorithms and believe they also produce much more harm than benefit.

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> Few phenomena demonstrate the perils that can accompany AI illiteracy as well as “Chatgpt induced psychosis,” the subject of a recent Rolling Stone article about the growing number of people who think their LLM is a sapient spiritual guide. Some users have come to believe that the chatbot they’re interacting with is a god—“ChatGPT Jesus,” as a man whose wife fell prey to LLM-inspired delusions put it—while others a…

> Few phenomena demonstrate the perils that can accompany AI illiteracy as well as “Chatgpt induced psychosis,” the subject of a recent Rolling Stone article about the growing number of people who think their LLM is a sapient spiritual guide. People have been caught in that trap ever since the invention of religion. This is not a new problem.

It doesn't have to be new to get worse and be important as a consequence of this stuff...

Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell the difference between those versions of Claude quite easily. Not 10x better each version, but each is more capable and the errors are fewer.

But errors nonetheless.

You won’t find perfection anywhere

Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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I agree with the substance, but would argue the author fails to "understand how AI works" in an important way: LLMs are impressive probability gadgets that have been fed nearly the entire internet, and produce writing not by thinking but by making statistically informed guesses about which lexical item is likely to follow another Modern chat-tuned LLMs are not simply statistical models trained on web scale datasets.…

Ya I don’t think I’ve seen any article going in depth into just how many low level humans like data labelers and RLHF’ers there are behind the scenes of these big models. It has to be millions of people worldwide.

Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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What really happens: "for some reason" higher up management thinks AI will let idiots run extremely complex companies. It doesn't. What AI actually does is like any other improved tool: it's a force multiplier. It allows a small number of highly experienced, very smart people, do double or triple the work they can do now. In other words: for idiot management, AI does nothing (EXCEPT enable the competition) Of course,…

Resonates. I've been thinking about a tech technology bubble (not financial bubble) for years now. Big tech companies have just been throwing engineers at problems for many years and it feels like they completely stopped caring about talent now. Not that they ever really cared deeply, but they did care superficially and that was enough to keep the machines spinning.

Now that they have AI, I can see it become an 'idiocy multiplier'. Already software is starting to break in subtle ways, it's slow, laggy, security processes have become a nightmare.

Re: What happens when people don't understand how AI works

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I agree with the substance, but would argue the author fails to "understand how AI works" in an important way: LLMs are impressive probability gadgets that have been fed nearly the entire internet, and produce writing not by thinking but by making statistically informed guesses about which lexical item is likely to follow another Modern chat-tuned LLMs are not simply statistical models trained on web scale datasets.…

I don't think those of us who don't work at OpenAI, Google, etc. have enough information to accurately estimate the influence of instruction tuning on the capabilities or the general "feel" of LLMs (it's really a pity that no one releases non-instruction-tuned models anymore).

Personally my inaccurate estimate is much lower than yours. When non-instruction tuned versions of GPT-3 were available, my perception is that most of the abilities and characteristics that we associate with talking to an LLM were already there - just more erratic, e.g., you asked a question and the model might answer or might continue it with another question (which is also a plausible continuation of the provided text). But if it did "choose" to answer, it could do so with comparable accuracy to the instruction-tuned versions.

Instruction tuning made them more predictable, and made them tend to give the responses that humans prefer (e.g. actually answering questions, maybe using answer formats that humans like, etc.), but I doubt it gave them many abilities that weren't already there.

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