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A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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This title is extremely clickbaity. If a few people in Japan believe something that nobody else believes, that thing is not "only true in Japan", nobody knows if it's true anywhere.

> If a few people in Japan believe something that nobody else believes, that thing is not "only true in Japan", nobody knows if it's true anywhere.

Well, not quite. Sometimes believing in things makes them true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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What can be proven depends on what is allowed be a part of mathematics and logic. Zero, negative numbers, imaginary numbers and a lot other stuff had go through the acceptance first before they can be used in proofs. A lot of foundational concepts in logic, reality, causality, boolean exclusivity, spatial locality - had to be rewritten due to advances in quantum physics etc.

We went through this over a 100 years ago, math now sits on very solid axioms (look up ZFC), they're not questioning that.

> math now sits on very solid axioms (look up ZFC), they're not questioning that.

People question C all the time. That might be the most prominent ideological difference in mathematical philosophy.

Does it matter? Of course not, but people question it anyway.

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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> The error concerned a part of the proof called Conjecture 3.12, seen as a vital part of Mochizuki’s efforts to solve the abc conjecture, which Scholze and Stix claimed suffered from an unjustified leap of logic. “We came to the conclusion that there is no proof,” wrote the pair, who didn’t respond to a request to comment for this article. This is hard to understand. This element of the "proof" is named "Conjecture…

Well, I think it's not even called "Conjecture 3.12", but "Corollary 3.12", which is funnier :D

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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post #10

This title is extremely clickbaity. If a few people in Japan believe something that nobody else believes, that thing is not "only true in Japan", nobody knows if it's true anywhere.

I really do wish "extremely clickbaity" just meant something like this. Clearly our experiences with clickbait must be very different.

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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> Another prize is also awarded annually to people who have made important progress in studying IUT – the first such prize, with an award of $100,000, went to Mochizuki and his colleagues.

Well that's hardly suspicious at all.

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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> The error concerned a part of the proof called Conjecture 3.12, seen as a vital part of Mochizuki’s efforts to solve the abc conjecture, which Scholze and Stix claimed suffered from an unjustified leap of logic. “We came to the conclusion that there is no proof,” wrote the pair, who didn’t respond to a request to comment for this article. This is hard to understand. This element of the "proof" is named "Conjecture…

Well, I think it's not even called "Conjecture 3.12", but "Corollary 3.12", which is funnier :D

That's a pretty serious error for the journalist to make.

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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When the likes of Peter Scholze (fields medal!) and other very high profile mathematicians find (serious) flaws in every posted manuscript about this... I mean, it's pretty clear to me what's going on. The proof just doesn't go through.

I think the intrigue is mainly that it's at such a high level that lay mathematicians (like me) have no hope of understanding the debate. It's a situation that lends itself to crazy speculation, because nothing you say about it can easily be challenged.

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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post #10

This title is extremely clickbaity. If a few people in Japan believe something that nobody else believes, that thing is not "only true in Japan", nobody knows if it's true anywhere.

I really do wish "extremely clickbaity" just meant something like this. Clearly our experiences with clickbait must be very different.

I's only extremely clickbaity in Japan

Re: A maths proof that is only true in Japan

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post #25

> Another prize is also awarded annually to people who have made important progress in studying IUT – the first such prize, with an award of $100,000, went to Mochizuki and his colleagues. Well that's hardly suspicious at all.

Reads like the Obama giving himself an award meme
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