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KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by jollyllama »

rhabarba wrote: post #7
Pet_Ant wrote: post #2

It's not relevant now, but back when I started using Linux (Red Hat 7.1 I think) what made me choose KDE was that with KDE all the apps had a conspicuous 'K' in their names whereas Gnome app did not, so it was easier to get a consistent user experience. After that it was Konqueror with the different protocols like "wk:" in the address bar to search Wikipedia. Then when I learned more, it just seemed like Qt was a muc…

> everything is now a webapp When, why and how became this a good thing?

Because, relatively speaking, it solves the distribution problem. Distributing to your set of servers is easier than distributing to the set of desktops.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by RedShift1 »

alyandon wrote: post #3

This really just blows my mind that Microsoft believes people are going to throw their perfectly functional laptops/desktops into the trash. All Microsoft has to do to keep people on Windows and in the Microsoft ecosystem would be to offer a supported version of Windows 11 without the CPU and TPM 2.0 requirements. For me, every one of the older machines in my household (laptops and desktops) that are currently on Win…

Tbf it was the same story when Windows XP went EoL and by now almost all of those have been replaced. So what's most likely is that Windows 10 will stick around for some time until it silently fades away, just like XP did, regardless of CPU/TPM shenanigans.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by jeroenhd »

alyandon wrote: post #3

This really just blows my mind that Microsoft believes people are going to throw their perfectly functional laptops/desktops into the trash. All Microsoft has to do to keep people on Windows and in the Microsoft ecosystem would be to offer a supported version of Windows 11 without the CPU and TPM 2.0 requirements. For me, every one of the older machines in my household (laptops and desktops) that are currently on Win…

Microsoft is selling support for those perfectly functional laptops/desktops past Windows 10's 10 year support window: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended...

ESU costs $30 for one year, $60 for two years. That's a lot cheaper than a new laptop.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by 4ad »

rhabarba wrote: post #15
Zambyte wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is weird to say when Microsoft has been very obviously inspired by KDE.

When KDE started, it was strongly influenced by CDE. It became more Windows-y with every major(ish) version, while Windows did not get any (relevant) inspiration from CDE.

Indeed, KDE is like Windows, which is sad, because I don't like the desktop metaphor, yet KDE is the only group that is concerned with usability and improves the system with every release.

I actually don't mind the GNOME metaphor... but they make it less and less usable over each release. Philosophically, what they are talking about sounds great, but pragmatically the system is just getting less and less usable. UX consistency is good, but not when it comes at the expense of functionality. Also, I don't like that GNOME has been ideologically captured by the extreme left.

Back in the day I ran WindowMaker and FVWM, but nowadays, with Wayland, HiDPI screens and expectations of integration, it is not a viable strategy anymore.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by jeroenhd »

rhabarba wrote: post #5

KDE is actually a good example of why non-Linux users say that Linux users would actually prefer to use Windows.

Gnome remains the most popular Linux desktop, despite the hatred it receives from hardcore Linux users, just because it's the default in Ubuntu and Fedora.

Other than Aurora Shell, but many people prefer to separate ChromeOS from other Linux Distros.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by blyry »

Plasma on Ubuntu is the what windows 7 could've been. It's been my daily for a couple years now, with jetbrains tooling and vscode. The only reason I boot back into windows is if I have to work on a .net framework app with visual studio. And Ubuntu is even explicitly supported by dell and Lenovo? It's a no brainer tbh. I'm lucky that my corporate IT is cool with it: I showed them how it supports drive encryption, can join our domain and run our patching software to meet all their 'policy'

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jollyllama wrote: post #21
rhabarba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everything is now a webapp When, why and how became this a good thing?

Because, relatively speaking, it solves the distribution problem. Distributing to your set of servers is easier than distributing to the set of desktops.

Which also goes to show how backwards Linux package distribution is at this point.

If you’re a small company, you can either build a web app which works everywhere; or you can deal with a distribution pushing out a buggy 3-year-old release against your will, with users harassing you about bugs.

Packaging on Linux for normal desktop apps was dead on arrival. It was never viable except for niche open source apps. The resistance to this fact makes the failure of the Linux desktop somewhat self-inflicted.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by neepi »

jollyllama wrote: post #21
rhabarba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everything is now a webapp When, why and how became this a good thing?

Because, relatively speaking, it solves the distribution problem. Distributing to your set of servers is easier than distributing to the set of desktops.

At the cost of a generally worse end user experience and no offline ability.

I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me.

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