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Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by marcellus23 »

mrtksn wrote: post #8

I used to do paragliding and to me the video looks like low effort green screen more than AI. The colons don't behave like that when flying because you have a tension exactly as much as your weight and it will vibrate and jiggle as it is rare to have perfect laminar flow especially over land(it gets more stable at hight altitudes but not that stable). Also, you are supposed to have 30 to 60 kph wind blowing at you al…

Yeah, watching that first video, a million things should stand out to anyone, even if they're not a paraglider. It's really hard to believe any part of this video is real.

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Post by h1fra »

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

we need a modern 12 angry men were the main evidence is not testimony but AI video

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Post by amlib »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #20
jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

Uhh, CGI is decades old now. Videos without sufficient provenance have always been suspect. Even beforehand you could do plenty of tomfoolery in the cutting room.

But that required lots of expertise and time to fabricate anything remotely convincing. We may now be close to an era where fakery at that level can be fabricated at industrial scale by any individuals and, most importantly, by powerful entities.

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Post by jonplackett »

gman83 wrote: post #14
pimlottc wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to actual court evidence, it’s just going to come back to chain of custody. What is the source of the video, how was it obtained, what hands did it go through before reaching the court, etc.

The 1992 book "Rising Sun" by Michael Crichton is basically about exactly this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(Crichton_novel)

Oooh I haven’t read this and I usually love Crichton book.

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Post by jonplackett »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #20
jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

Uhh, CGI is decades old now. Videos without sufficient provenance have always been suspect. Even beforehand you could do plenty of tomfoolery in the cutting room.

CGI is expensive, and also quite bad at people. So I think this is a whole new thing.

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Post by jonplackett »

apwell23 wrote: post #17
jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

> The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke. are you talking legally? not sure why that would be the case. Courts accept documents which can be forged. Doing that would be a crime.

Yeah and people forge things all the time. Which I’d imagine is quite problematic

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Post by alwa »

jonplackett wrote: post #26
apwell23 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke. are you talking legally? not sure why that would be the case. Courts accept documents which can be forged. Doing that would be a crime.

Yeah and people forge things all the time. Which I’d imagine is quite problematic

It takes a certain degree of chutzpah to introduce those forged documents in court, though… you’re submitting them to adversarial scrutiny, it’s part of the court’s job to decide whether they’re reliable or not, and detection leads to criminal sanctions

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Post by [deleted] »

deadbabe wrote: post #15
jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

The punishment for using fake video evidence for accusing someone of a crime must also go up. Way up.

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Post by ge96 »

I was on the side of it being fake because the part where he's frozen the background is frozen/air around him seems to be barely moving. The background I can get that it's so far away doesn't look like it's moving. The other thing is the altitude is so high/can't breath but yeah.

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Post by ge96 »

mrtksn wrote: post #8

I used to do paragliding and to me the video looks like low effort green screen more than AI. The colons don't behave like that when flying because you have a tension exactly as much as your weight and it will vibrate and jiggle as it is rare to have perfect laminar flow especially over land(it gets more stable at hight altitudes but not that stable). Also, you are supposed to have 30 to 60 kph wind blowing at you al…

where are his legs!
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