They tried to make this guy prime minister when I was a kid.
I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.
Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry
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#22They tried to make this guy prime minister when I was a kid.
I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.
There I fixed it for you. If it's such a net benefit to humanity governments should provide 6-months-behind-the-state-of-the-art-model for free to the public to make up for the highway robbery of its citizens' lifelong digital output.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one has ever taken the philosophical position that they have the right to sell someone else's work as their own.
That's literally the entire foundation of Capitalism. Working for yourself, and selling what you produce yourself, is called Cottage Industry and is what Capitalism replaced.
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#25This is just Mutually Assured Destruction all over again. The only correct solution is for AI pacifists on both sides (means the people who support humanity and oppose this nonsense) to do a as much as they can sideline the AI hardliners (the people who think AI is a benefit) on both sides. Each country needs to believe the AI pacifists in the other country have relatively more support than the hardliners.
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#26All of which to say if Nick Clegg says X there are a very large number of people who think “not X” by default. He’s even a lame duck at meta because they’re ditching him to replace him with Joel Kaplan who they think will help in their attempts to cosy up further with the Trump administration.
[1] Tuition fees for tertiary education in particular https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/libdems-tuition-fe...
Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry
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#28They tried to make this guy prime minister when I was a kid.
I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.
AI companies are for profit organizations in a largely capitalist world. If what they're providing is so massively more valuable to humanity than artists' IP, then the AI companies should easily be able to monetize that value in a way that allows them to fairly compensate the artists for the crucial role they're apparently playing in AI development.
Of course scale is the real problem here, because we're not just talking about AI companies compensating "some artists", but likely "all artists". This probably is financially untenable since the current value AI is providing to society seems unlikely to be greater than the value of all IP that exists in the world.
But that's not some critical feature of AI, it just speaks to the way current AI models work where you take every bit of text and images that exists and throw it into a data center full of GPUs to burn through a large city's worth of electricity until something approximating human text and image generation pops out. Arguably that approach is driven by the fact that GPUs and electricity are affordable and the input data is "free" if you're willing to steal it. I see no reason to believe less wasteful models couldn't produce good results without requiring the input being all human knowledge, and you'd save some electricity and resources in the meantime.
Edit: I'm not an AI researcher, but I also think incentivizing more efficient approaches to AI model development and training might yield more human-like AI (i.e. actual AI rather than turbo charged autocomplete). Humans also develop our cognitive abilities by absorbing external information but we manage to do it by absorbing a fraction of the information as a large-scale AI model with significantly better results. Focusing on whatever difference is behind that rather than building ever larger data centers with ever more powerful GPUs might be an interesting shift.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.
>some artists' livelihood There I fixed it for you. If it's such a net benefit to humanity governments should provide 6-months-behind-the-state-of-the-art-model for free to the public to make up for the highway robbery of its citizens' lifelong digital output.