I only read the chatgpt summarized version of this but it makes decent steelman points against thiel (as someone who likes him and his ideas).
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I‘m sure it does.
From Philosophy to Power: The Misuse of René Girard by Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance
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Re: From Philosophy to Power: The Misuse of René Girard by Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance
#22Long but very good piece, although I was surprised to not see Tolkien mentioned even once, who Thiel has given essentially the same treatment. Tolkien like Girard was explicitly a Christian writer and if there's one message in his books it was of course: "do not take the ring". Thiel somehow turned this around into "VC fund the forging of the ring and use it against our perceived enemies". Girard's argument was that…
Could it be Peter Thiel doesn't know how to generate love. What does he or anyone similar then do when love is suggested as a solution to complexity?
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Just an FYI, posting the output of LLMs on HN is forbidden per the rules.
There's no mention of llm or chatgpt or even ai in this https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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Just an FYI, posting the output of LLMs on HN is forbidden per the rules.
There's no mention of llm or chatgpt or even ai in this https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
He should update that page. Anyway: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
I know because I was contacted and asked not to do this.
Re: From Philosophy to Power: The Misuse of René Girard by Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no mention of llm or chatgpt or even ai in this https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
He should update that page. Anyway: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... I know because I was contacted and asked not to do this.
I don't think it will be explicitly added to the guidelines (we've talked about it); the moderation policies also include a much larger body of "case law" [1]. But we've always wanted HN to be for interaction between humans, and also to avoid comments that are tl;dr summaries [2-6], which is a lot of what the LLM-generated comments are here. That policy goes back to long before LLMs were commonplace.
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7613953
[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12667459
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He should update that page. Anyway: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... I know because I was contacted and asked not to do this.
I don't think it will be explicitly added to the guidelines (we've talked about it); the moderation policies also include a much larger body of "case law" [1]. But we've always wanted HN to be for interaction between humans, and also to avoid comments that are tl;dr summaries [2-6], which is a lot of what the LLM-generated comments are here. That policy goes back to long before LLMs were commonplace. [1] https://hn.a…
Only that it's just a bit harder for those of use that like to some occasional lightweight stewardship (maybe you're discouraging that) - I know when to point to the guidelines pretty easily, I guess in future for this instance... I'll actually just point to this interaction!!! :D
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it will be explicitly added to the guidelines (we've talked about it); the moderation policies also include a much larger body of "case law" [1]. But we've always wanted HN to be for interaction between humans, and also to avoid comments that are tl;dr summaries [2-6], which is a lot of what the LLM-generated comments are here. That policy goes back to long before LLMs were commonplace. [1] https://hn.a…
Only that it's just a bit harder for those of use that like to some occasional lightweight stewardship (maybe you're discouraging that) - I know when to point to the guidelines pretty easily, I guess in future for this instance... I'll actually just point to this interaction!!! :D
We love it when community members do lightweight stewardship! Thanks for doing it.
And yes with "case law", by design we like to be able to point to older comments explaining the principle, as dang explained here four years ago:
Re: From Philosophy to Power: The Misuse of René Girard by Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance
#29Long but very good piece, although I was surprised to not see Tolkien mentioned even once, who Thiel has given essentially the same treatment. Tolkien like Girard was explicitly a Christian writer and if there's one message in his books it was of course: "do not take the ring". Thiel somehow turned this around into "VC fund the forging of the ring and use it against our perceived enemies". Girard's argument was that…
Could it be Peter Thiel doesn't know how to generate love. What does he or anyone similar then do when love is suggested as a solution to complexity?
They dig through (your) history, in search for examples of corruption or evil.