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Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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One interesting thought process i've had around these topics is how it's not just attention but all DL methods suffer similar problems. I truly believe the last step to AGI is solving continual learning. Efficient will always inch up but the "jump" is honestly not in sight. Maybe attention + (unknown thing) really is all we need. The thought is interesting because if you extrapolate that all DL models suffer the same…

For the same reason Yann LeCun and everyone else says language won’t lead to AGI, nothing will lead to AGI. Yann says language models need to be updated with new language to describe new observation. But that’s not just with language. That’s physics. We cannot solve going to Mars or anything without the process. But space time is endless and eventually some composition of it will come along the continuous learning ma…

Everything you're saying applies to humans too, though. We evolved, learned over time, and are now "AGI".

Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason Yann LeCun and everyone else says language won’t lead to AGI, nothing will lead to AGI. Yann says language models need to be updated with new language to describe new observation. But that’s not just with language. That’s physics. We cannot solve going to Mars or anything without the process. But space time is endless and eventually some composition of it will come along the continuous learning ma…

I just… why can’t it adapt over time?

Nobody knows.

It's one of those seemingly simple problems to which the solutions imply contradicting answers.

Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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I just… why can’t it adapt over time?

Nobody knows. It's one of those seemingly simple problems to which the solutions imply contradicting answers.

I just don’t get why we’re talking about cosmic scales but modern AI tech and not a hypothetical ASI a thousand years out with an iq of 2 million that would actually encounter these limits.

Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody knows. It's one of those seemingly simple problems to which the solutions imply contradicting answers.

I just don’t get why we’re talking about cosmic scales but modern AI tech and not a hypothetical ASI a thousand years out with an iq of 2 million that would actually encounter these limits.

Yeah that's not what I was talking about I was only talking about continual learning.

Just hijacked thr comment because my focus is on CL on current systems not the hypothetical.

Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don’t get why we’re talking about cosmic scales but modern AI tech and not a hypothetical ASI a thousand years out with an iq of 2 million that would actually encounter these limits.

Yeah that's not what I was talking about I was only talking about continual learning. Just hijacked thr comment because my focus is on CL on current systems not the hypothetical.

Gotcha sorry. Got the wrong impression.

Re: Attention Wasn't All We Needed

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Nice writeup, but regarding title -- I find it fascinating how powerful attention really is. There were some tweaks developedz sure, but if I open Llama 4 code on HugginFace, it is more or less the same code that I've seen there 5 years ago. Despite all the AI hype, we are still just exploiting tech developed in 2015-2020. And despite NeurIPS brandishing 25k papers this year, the innovation rate in deep learning seem…

Too many horseriders, not enough horse breeders.

Nice analogy, most probably going to borrow it.
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