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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by billyp-rva »

superb_dev wrote: post #10
quantumHazer wrote: post #8

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

You don’t even have to look close for some of these. The owl suddenly flipping direction in the first video was jarring

When it's in silhouette you don't know what direction it is facing, technically. I think what's happening is when you see a shot of something flying in front of something prominent (in this case, the moon), your brain naturally perceives it is going away from the camera and toward the object.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by harikb »

quantumHazer wrote: post #8

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

They don't have to be as good as the best film production team - they just need to be better than the average/B-grade ones to gain adoption.

With the media & entertainment hungry world which is about to get worse with the unempoyed/underemployed tiktok generation needing "content", something like this has to have a play.

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Post by suddenlybananas »

Animats wrote: post #3

The ad for Flow would be much better if they laid off the swirly and wavy effects, and focused on realism. Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. Then, "Google Sequels" - generates a sequel for any movie.

Generating banal stock footage is wildly different than generating a film.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

com2kid wrote: post #19
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. This "fixes" Hollywood's biggest "issues". No more highly paid actors demanding 50 million to appear in your movie, no more pretentious movie stars causing dramas and controversies, no more workers' unions or strikes, but all gains being funneled directly to shareholders. The VFX industry being turned into a gig meatgrinder was already…

> Hollywood's wet dream. Except it bankrupts Hollywood, they are no longer needed. Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. The end game is endless ultra personalized content beamed into people's heads every free waking hour of the day. Hollywood is irrelevant in that future.

Good point, this is indeed a threat to them. Like how many young people are watching streamers now instead of worshiping present day's music, TV or movie star like in the 90's. The likes of Youtube and Twitch could be more valuable than Hollywood.

That's why I think Hollywood is rushing to adopt gen-AI, so they can churn out personalized content faster and cheaper straight to streaming, at the same rate as indie producers.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by jhaile »

quantumHazer wrote: post #8

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

Yea, but we're early days and I think that will go away as the tools get better. Also - did you watch the sample short films they have?

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Post by llm_nerd »

superb_dev wrote: post #10
quantumHazer wrote: post #8

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

You don’t even have to look close for some of these. The owl suddenly flipping direction in the first video was jarring

I think that's just the silhouette illusion[1]. In this case likely abetted by the framing elements moving near the edges.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_dancer

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by vunderba »

sergiotapia wrote: post #17

How do you use Imagen 4 in Gemini? I don't see it in the model picker, I just 2.5 Flash and 2.5 Pro (Upgrade).

It's not at all obvious from Gemini - probably the easiest way is through Whisk.

https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk

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